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#313271
This is another reason why this track layout is crap, now here we are all talking about the actual confines on the track. There are like 3 or 4 corners where drivers run wide off the track on a regular basis.


I disagree when people blast post -2001 Hockenheim as a "crap layout". True, it's not as majestic and stand-out as it's predecessor, but it's by no means a poor track. Plenty of overtaking action today, with one or two moves lasting through multiple corners.
#313272
I think Brundle is one of the best commentators I've heard on any broadcast. Saying something silly once in a while isn't so bad. I have an idiot on my broadcast who says something stupid in every race. In this one he was practically screaming about how Jenson was attacking Vettel (when it was Hamilton who had come out of the pits a lap down) and Chandhok had to tell him to shut the f*ck up and point out its Hamilton. Little things like that. I'm almost used to it.


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Priceless! :wink:


Steve Slater, by his standards that was only a 6 or 7 :hehe:
#313273
The simple answer would be have grass immediately outside the white line and gravel a car's width from the edge of the edge of the track.

Ahhh the days of grass and gravel........ both seem like an endangered species, unfortunately.

As Martin Brundle pointed out, if grass and gravel were as they were, about 2 people would've finished FP in one piece!

Ah, but the driving mentality would have been different; the reason so many cars go off is because they know they can push the limits without penalty!

Yet we should be thankful, no fatalities occurred since Ayrton Senna's one, tho we had some really bad incidents after. like Michael's or Massa's. Martin must be a out of his mind to think of that kind of stupid stuff, the last thing I want to see during a Grand Prix is a fatality, grass and gravel may look good on TV when drivers are stuck in it, but those are also deadly traps for our beloved drivers (imagine a car going 200+km/h on grass or gravel straight into the barriers). There's a good reason why potential "hard" corners have a good asphalt area around it, as asphalt is the best to slow down a car.

How about this for a solution; an electronic aid that limits revs to say 50% when outside the confines of the circuit; safe and serves the same purpose as grass/gravel!
#313274
This is another reason why this track layout is crap, now here we are all talking about the actual confines on the track. There are like 3 or 4 corners where drivers run wide off the track on a regular basis.


I disagree when people blast post -2001 Hockenheim as a "crap layout". True, it's not as majestic and stand-out as it's predecessor, but it's by no means a poor track. Plenty of overtaking action today, with one or two moves lasting through multiple corners.


The old track was a true engine test. The new version could be any circuit anywhere.
#313275
The simple answer would be have grass immediately outside the white line and gravel a car's width from the edge of the edge of the track.

Ahhh the days of grass and gravel........ both seem like an endangered species, unfortunately.

As Martin Brundle pointed out, if grass and gravel were as they were, about 2 people would've finished FP in one piece!

Ah, but the driving mentality would have been different; the reason so many cars go off is because they know they can push the limits without penalty!


Yet we should be thankful, no fatalities occurred since Ayrton Senna's one, tho we had some really bad incidents after. like Michael's or Massa's. Martin must be a out of his mind to think of that kind of stupid stuff, the last thing I want to see during a Grand Prix is a fatality, grass and gravel may look good on TV when drivers are stuck in it, but those are also deadly traps for our beloved drivers (imagine a car going 200+km/h on grass or gravel straight into the barriers). There's a good reason why potential "hard" corners have a good asphalt area around it, as asphalt is the best to slow down a car.


Well Brundle is a monumental idiot......

I rate him as highly as I rate Eddie Jordan. :hehe:

I would not jump the gun so fast. Both of them raced during a different time, years and years ago, things changed a lot since their prime time. The thing is, drivers safety is first and every circuit should be molded regarding that. So screw green zones, or gravel ones, everything that might contribute to a possible fatality have no place in current formula 1.


In that case, and I agree with you that driver safety should be paramount (though don't agree that having grass and gravel would be a particular problem if there is a tarmac run-off beyond that - but that's another debate) they have to treat all scenarios where a car goes fully 4 wheels off track seriously and extremely harshly with penalties to stop drivers doing it. We can't have any more of these controversial incidents followed by inconsistent penalty / non-penalty. It should be penalty automatically then argue after whether they should be allowed to keep the place rather than keep the place and penalise after. That might alter the mindset somewhat.
#313276
Vettel was already ahead. Done deal.
Btw, I really hate that Ferrari radio transmissions. Real w*nkers!


I have to agree. There is a rule that English should be spoken throughout radio transmissions but no one's bringing this up. Wtf is the point of speaking in Italian, what just because you are Ferrari only Italians need to understand wtf you're saying? F*ck off.
#313277
This is another reason why this track layout is crap, now here we are all talking about the actual confines on the track. There are like 3 or 4 corners where drivers run wide off the track on a regular basis.


I disagree when people blast post -2001 Hockenheim as a "crap layout". True, it's not as majestic and stand-out as it's predecessor, but it's by no means a poor track. Plenty of overtaking action today, with one or two moves lasting through multiple corners.


The old track was a true engine test. The new version could be any circuit anywhere.


As Martin Brundle put it... it tested the car, but hardly the driver.
#313278
This is another reason why this track layout is crap, now here we are all talking about the actual confines on the track. There are like 3 or 4 corners where drivers run wide off the track on a regular basis.


I disagree when people blast post -2001 Hockenheim as a "crap layout". True, it's not as majestic and stand-out as it's predecessor, but it's by no means a poor track. Plenty of overtaking action today, with one or two moves lasting through multiple corners.


The old track was a true engine test. The new version could be any circuit anywhere.


As Martin Brundle put it... it tested the car, but hardly the driver.


Didn't test the driver? He can't have been going fast enough. :hehe:
#313280
Vettel was already ahead. Done deal.

He may have had a nose ahead but certainly never had the move completed before going off track; Vettel never at any point tried to remain within the confines of the track; plain and simple, Vettel carried more speed because of the lesser angle of attack going into the hairpain, three former drivers, two of them FIA stewards think that Vettel gained an advantage!
#313281
I wonder if those advocating a grass strip alongside the track watched the GP3 race this morning. Apart from a nasty aerial multi-car accident at the hairpin, there was another where a car left the circuit at turn one and regaining the track along the grass, when it hit a divot and launched into the air. It came to earth with such a bang that it effectively stopped the race. It is a long time since I have seen an ambulance called to the scene of a racing car accident. I believe the driver suffered back injuries.

Proper grass is much less reliable that synthetic surfaces. That said, I think that a gravel trap would have made Seb think twice about what he was doing. The tarmac areas do seem to let drivers get away with mistakes/irresponsible driving. The gravel traps at Donnington seem to be more effective than many. If you get into the gravel there you are unlikely to get out again.


BTW No-one made more mistakes in commentary than you-know-who and he was very popular with the fans.
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#313282
Vettel was already ahead. Done deal.
Btw, I really hate that Ferrari radio transmissions. Real w*nkers!


I have to agree. There is a rule that English should be spoken throughout radio transmissions but no one's bringing this up. Wtf is the point of speaking in Italian, what just because you are Ferrari only Italians need to understand wtf you're saying? F*ck off.


I think that's a myth, I don't think there is any such rule. Athough I do agree that it's a bit irritating. But then that's only because I don't speak Italian... :hehe:
#313284
Nightmare race for me! Think I'l just go and put my heads in the gas oven
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Nope. Im stuck with reality. My oven is electric.
#313285
Vettel was already ahead. Done deal.
Btw, I really hate that Ferrari radio transmissions. Real w*nkers!


I have to agree. There is a rule that English should be spoken throughout radio transmissions but no one's bringing this up. Wtf is the point of speaking in Italian, what just because you are Ferrari only Italians need to understand wtf you're saying? F*ck off.


Teams are allowed to use thier native language - shock horror
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