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[darwin dali]

Some great races in that list - some I'd prefer not to keep being reminded of, but then having such a great rival for so many years is what made the wins my team got from time to time all the more enjoyable.

Amen

For me, the most memorable were the 00 Belgian GP with Mikas overtake of his great rival Schumi. Closely followed by Kimis 05 Jspanese Grand Prix win. The 05 was a tad meaningful in that it was on during Australian day time and I was watching with my old man.

Another that had me out of my seat was Fernando's Euro GP win.
Basically any come from behind for the win in the closing laps is most memorable!

Dirty mind DD

[LewEngBridewell]

F1 journalist Alan Henry lists his Top 10 victories of the McLaren-Mercedes partnership.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/blog/al ... -Mercedes/

Jenson's famous victory at Montreal in 2011 tops the list.

Ridiculous.....number 6,4,3 all deserve to be ahead of 1.

Number 1 was still great, but it's very difficult to choose a definite top pick. A whole host of them were equally good wins.

[1Lemon]

F1 journalist Alan Henry lists his Top 10 victories of the McLaren-Mercedes partnership.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/blog/al ... -Mercedes/

Jenson's famous victory at Montreal in 2011 tops the list.

Ridiculous.....number 6,4,3 all deserve to be ahead of 1.

Number 1 was still great, but it's very difficult to choose a definite top pick. A whole host of them were equally good wins.

I wouldn't put 3 quite so high, but I still think that Canada was possibly one of the greatest McLaren victories, for one half of the garage anyway. It is the race I always show people when they ask me "I want to get into F1, what do I start with?"

[LewEngBridewell]

F1 journalist Alan Henry lists his Top 10 victories of the McLaren-Mercedes partnership.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/blog/al ... -Mercedes/

Jenson's famous victory at Montreal in 2011 tops the list.

Ridiculous.....number 6,4,3 all deserve to be ahead of 1.

Number 1 was still great, but it's very difficult to choose a definite top pick. A whole host of them were equally good wins.

I wouldn't put 3 quite so high, but I still think that Canada was possibly one of the greatest McLaren victories, for one half of the garage anyway. It is the race I always show people when they ask me "I want to get into F1, what do I start with?"

Definitely. Either that one or Suzuka 2005, which is lower than I expected on that ranking.

[Hammer278]

F1 journalist Alan Henry lists his Top 10 victories of the McLaren-Mercedes partnership.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/blog/al ... -Mercedes/

Jenson's famous victory at Montreal in 2011 tops the list.

Ridiculous.....number 6,4,3 all deserve to be ahead of 1.

Number 1 was still great, but it's very difficult to choose a definite top pick. A whole host of them were equally good wins.

I wouldn't put 3 quite so high, but I still think that Canada was possibly one of the greatest McLaren victories, for one half of the garage anyway. It is the race I always show people when they ask me "I want to get into F1, what do I start with?"

Define 'greatest victories'. In terms of most 'thrilling victories' it is definitely up there.

When I hear 'greatest victories' I think of just pure talent trumping all, whilst in a McLaren seat. A race where a McLaren driver does not knock out 2 main competitors unfairly (and earn no penalty) and isn't aided by 5 safety cars, instead; blows away the competition by pure speed and tenacity - that's more in line with 'greatest victories' in my understanding. Which is why I rank 6,4,3 easily ahead of 1. Of course, my understanding might be flawed but it's how I see those two words anyway.

[myownalias]

Greatest victories are subjective at best... you can ask 100 people and you'll have 90 different selections!

I'm going to be biased being a JB fan; and I don't recall all the races that were mentioned... as I said subjective!

[1Lemon]

F1 journalist Alan Henry lists his Top 10 victories of the McLaren-Mercedes partnership.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/blog/al ... -Mercedes/

Jenson's famous victory at Montreal in 2011 tops the list.

Ridiculous.....number 6,4,3 all deserve to be ahead of 1.

Number 1 was still great, but it's very difficult to choose a definite top pick. A whole host of them were equally good wins.

I wouldn't put 3 quite so high, but I still think that Canada was possibly one of the greatest McLaren victories, for one half of the garage anyway. It is the race I always show people when they ask me "I want to get into F1, what do I start with?"

Define 'greatest victories'. In terms of most 'thrilling victories' it is definitely up there.

When I hear 'greatest victories' I think of just pure talent trumping all, whilst in a McLaren seat. A race where a McLaren driver does not knock out 2 main competitors unfairly (and earn no penalty) and isn't aided by 5 safety cars, instead; blows away the competition by pure speed and tenacity - that's more in line with 'greatest victories' in my understanding. Which is why I rank 6,4,3 easily ahead of 1. Of course, my understanding might be flawed but it's how I see those two words anyway.

Well that's your opinion of what a greatest victory is, and that's fine. But does that mean 95% of Vettel's victories were greatest victories, as he always seems to just pull away from the rest.

[What's Burning?]

I remember that race. Very wet underwear indeed. But I remember it more for Vettel losing than for McLaren winning. In 2011 there was nothing much to crow about for anyone that wasn't Red Bull.

[Hammer278]

Well that's your opinion of what a greatest victory is, and that's fine. But does that mean 95% of Vettel's victories were greatest victories, as he always seems to just pull away from the rest.

If you see the victories I judge as 'greatest victories' none of those cars managed to win the WCC that year, aka not dominant machines. Figured this should be pretty simple to understand, without me having to point this out.

[1Lemon]

Well that's your opinion of what a greatest victory is, and that's fine. But does that mean 95% of Vettel's victories were greatest victories, as he always seems to just pull away from the rest.

If you see the victories I judge as 'greatest victories' none of those cars managed to win the WCC that year, aka not dominant machines. Figured this should be pretty simple to understand, without me having to point this out.

In 2008 the backup Hamilton had wasn't exactly world class to win a WCC, Heikki only had one win and 3 podiums, the rest were in the midfield. If Hammy had a teammate who was up to the pace of the car they might have won a WCC. IMHO the Ferrari wasn't as fast as the McLaren that year, just slightly more reliable.

[Hammer278]

So what about his backup....you said it yourself, the Ferrari not quite as quick (highly debatable) as the McLaren but more reliable (again highly debatable when you think of Hungary). But whatever, going along with your theory. Does this sound like McLaren that year were on Redbull level the past 3 years? It means they were pretty even right? No?

If you believe your own posts you won't even be arguing about this since my original point is crystal clear; Greatest victories are won by pure talent and tenacity, not by superior machinery/crashing others out/advantageous circumstances. It's not hard to get.

[1Lemon]

Not going to even get into that first statement which makes no sense and is fundamentally contradictory "If you believe in your post you shouldn't argue it because I'm clearly right"

But anyway, I'm saying that in 2008, Kimi/Massa was a far more powerful pairing than Heikki/Hammy and if Heikki was getting the same results as either Kimi or Massa then McLaren would have most likely pipped the WCC too. That's not to put down what Hamilton did that day, it was mighty impressive, but I don't think it deserved to be so high up the "Greatest victory" list, but there we go that's what I think.

[CookinFlat6]

But anyway, I'm saying that in 2008, Kimi/Massa was a far more powerful pairing than Heikki/Hammy and if Heikki was getting the same results as either Kimi or Massa then McLaren would have most likely pipped the WCC too.

If Kimi had got the same results as Massa or Lewis then Ferrari would have won by a much much bigger margin

Kimi underperformed yet Ferrari won so that's a flawed argument. If you compare Massa to Alonso and Lewis then the Ferrari was a much better car than the Macca that season

[1Lemon]

But anyway, I'm saying that in 2008, Kimi/Massa was a far more powerful pairing than Heikki/Hammy and if Heikki was getting the same results as either Kimi or Massa then McLaren would have most likely pipped the WCC too.

If Kimi had got the same results as Massa or Lewis then Ferrari would have won by a much much bigger margin

Kimi underperformed yet Ferrari won so that's a flawed argument. If you compare Massa to Alonso and Lewis then the Ferrari was a much better car than the Macca that season

Kimi got 75, Heikki got 53...Yes Kimi was 22 points off his teammate, but Heikki was 45 off his, and considering McLaren were only 21 points off Ferrari by the end of the season...

Going by points Heikki did 50% worse than Kimi, but McLaren were only 13% off from Ferrari.

[CookinFlat6]

It's hard to use those numbers to scientifically prove anything. Eg if Kimi and Massa had the same amount of oiints they would has won. But we can't then say if Lewis and Heikki got the same they would have won so their car is better
Kimi is better than Massa
Lewis is better than heikki

Kimi if on form should have got more points than Massa ( he replaced him at Ferrari recently)
Lewis got more points out of the car than Heikki got less

So just by going on what we know of each drivers ability the conclusion must be that the Ferrari was a better car judging by what the weaker driver got out of it

It's hard to argue that the Macca was a better car in 2008 - better meaning reliable, fast and driveable