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By CookinFlat6
#398368
Just had a thought I'd like to run by my fellow knowledgeable and wise Merc supporters.

Is it possible that the new Merc management is actually an upgrade on the older dated concept of one man - Ross in complete control and doing things as he always did?

Consider this, if Ross had been on the pitwall, is it not highly likely he would have instructed Nico to stay behind? If Nico had complied chances are we would have a much different outcome, as well as some bitterness in the team.
If Nico had ignored the instruction, as I reckon he would have, then we are likely to have seen a different reaction from Lewis when defending.

Why would Ross have done this? because thats the generation he comes from and there is plenty of evidence that he operates around one preferred star and a number 2. If we continue along this line, we could conclude that there is a possibility that Ross's man mangement of Nico and MS was flawed in that MS was treated as the star when Nico was a much better prospect. Maybe this held development of the W04 back a little. Certainly when Ross did let MS go, there were comments along the line of MS' development desires being too narrow and focused on different types of tyres - the one he had at the height of his success. Could there be a link to the W04s tyre munching?

We were a bit concerned about Paddy stepping into Ross' shoes wrt trackside operations and strategy, but so far pitstops and strategy have been spot on albeit in a 3 second car.

So maybe Merc have actually introduced a management structure at exactly the right time that modernises that business of F1 and capitalises on Ross' stellar work in creating the car and conditions for a solid operation to be built on.

Unlike some other teams and supporters the good thing about Merc is that we can actually look at our team and drivers from every single angle and not be restrained by some notion of blind loyalty or lemming type inability to objectively face facts and we can enjoy dissecting everything about the team. from technical to managerial to staff to marketability to heritage and history :thumbup:
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By Jabberwocky
#398371
I think the proof of if the new management system is right or not will to be how the team reacts when it is not all plain sailing. On the flip side is the new management system that far removed from BrawnGP's with Ross running technical and Fry running financial

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By CookinFlat6
#398375
Yes it was - Ross comes from the old school of F1 mechanic/team boss/jack of all trades. He has the vision but he is not the chief engineer, that guy answers to him. Fry was in charge of commercials - getting the funds in

Now we have Paddy, a pro engineer running the team, deploying its resources and Toto the commercials and Niki 'the money (via the board)

the difference? Paddy is a pure chief/managing engineer whereas Ross ' decisions will be broader, with all sorts of other considerations on his mind, so Paddy can make decisions purely on the basis of whats best for the race team, decisions on updates, strategy, etc etc and these are not affected by what the sponsors or the board think

Eg, to Paddy Nico and Lewis are just 2 tools he has to work with to get results, to Toto they are employees important to sponsors etc etc

Just my humble opinion ofcourse
By Hammer278
#398377
That's a good question Cookin. The outcome of this race might have been very different if Brawn was in charge, but maybe he would've let them race seeing the advantage they have over the field? Or tell the drivers to maintain position after that first tussle just before Lewis' pistop. Don't forget though, he let them race in Malaysia last year for 3 laps before calling it off. Knowing Ross though, he might've already prepared the drivers in the pre-race briefing for a scenario as such and made them agree on some sort of plan - the driver leading the race after 50% distance is winning the race, etcetc. We can only speculate.

I'm unwilling to think Brawn would've definitely taken the No.1 and No.2 stance. Also, I do not think he's thick enough to support a driver just because that driver enjoyed success in the past. After the first season when Nico beat Michael, Brawn would've had the brain to listen to the faster driver or at least be neutral. Plus we heard no complaints from Nico at all during the 3 years. The tyre chewing of the Merc was probably just a design flaw which carried over the years. IMO.

The current management has done a great job, although as Jabbo said they have a large margin to do so and the real test has not arrived. If it does arrive, I look forward to how they respond but it looks like they have a solid structure in place and everyone's operating like clockwork. They sure handled the Bahrain race well coming out trumps in all areas, something Redbull and Ferrari never got close to achieving.

Time will tell how good the new management are but it's looking sweet. :)
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By racechick
#398380
I was extremely nervous about the loss of Ross. He's like a big cuddly safety net with experience and track
record you can trust. And I was nervous of Nikki Lauda with regards to Lewis. I know it's easy for Merc with the cushion they have from the other teams, but everything I've seen has laid to rest my worries. I've got what I wanted. Lewis in a fast car with a team that lets him and his team mate race. I can ask for no more.
By What's Burning?
#398381
I think it's a little bit of "it depends". It's early in the season yet Mercedes can afford to have a double DNF and they'd still maintain the lead in both championships. Imagine if it continues at this pace, by the middle of the summer, it will be all Rosberg and Hamilton with everyone else a distant second, and in a situation like that, why not spur competition within your own team? Why not have both sides of the garage look for the slightest advantage and learn from it and apply it to the similar situations going forward?

If you don't push the envelope you don't gain. Mercedes isn't handicapped like RBR was with only Vettel allegedly being able to utilize Newey's magic recipe. It's clear that both Mercedes drivers will have the ability to win on any given Sunday, so I suspect that even if the orders came to hold station, these guys will fight it out.
By ang4f1
#398385
Here is a good analysis.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/04/08/mercedes-fair-fight-hamilton-rosberg/

Great to read that.. :yes: ...Thanks

I just saw this about Paddy Lowe...apologies if it's already been posted...
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058 ... r-strategy

Ted Kravitz said several times on SKY that Paddy was giving team orders......

Thinking back about what Jenson Button said, when asked if Lewis leaving McLaren, would be a great loss to the team, he answered....It's not as if it's Paddy Lowe...... :hehe:
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By racechick
#398390
Thanks for that Ang, I hadn't seen it. It's early days , but paddy is looking the real deal!
By Hammer278
#398429
Here is a good analysis.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/04/08/mercedes-fair-fight-hamilton-rosberg/

Great to read that.. :yes: ...Thanks

I just saw this about Paddy Lowe...apologies if it's already been posted...
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058 ... r-strategy

Ted Kravitz said several times on SKY that Paddy was giving team orders......

Thinking back about what Jenson Button said, when asked if Lewis leaving McLaren, would be a great loss to the team, he answered....It's not as if it's Paddy Lowe...... :hehe:


I remember during the race when Lowe spoke to the drivers when the SC was out, Kravitz was all like "YUP. Team orders, plain and clear. Fo sho. No doubts!" and Brundle was all "You sure Ted? It could be either way" and Kravitz was all "yep! Team orders"

And right after the SC went in and Nico attacked Lewis, Crofty was like "no team orders here!" and we never heard from :censored: Kravitz again. Sometimes that guy pisses me off with his arrogant know-it-all tone.
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By racechick
#398440
I don't like Kravitz much. He seems to me to either make silly statements or just state the obvious. Never seem to get good info from him.
By ang4f1
#398575
Here is a good analysis.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/04/08/mercedes-fair-fight-hamilton-rosberg/

Great to read that.. :yes: ...Thanks

I just saw this about Paddy Lowe...apologies if it's already been posted...
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058 ... r-strategy

Ted Kravitz said several times on SKY that Paddy was giving team orders......

Thinking back about what Jenson Button said, when asked if Lewis leaving McLaren, would be a great loss to the team, he answered....It's not as if it's Paddy Lowe...... :hehe:


I remember during the race when Lowe spoke to the drivers when the SC was out, Kravitz was all like "YUP. Team orders, plain and clear. Fo sho. No doubts!" and Brundle was all "You sure Ted? It could be either way" and Kravitz was all "yep! Team orders"

And right after the SC went in and Nico attacked Lewis, Crofty was like "no team orders here!" and we never heard from :censored: Kravitz again. Sometimes that guy pisses me off with his arrogant know-it-all tone.

After the race...Ted found Nikki Lauda...& started trying to get him to say that Paddy had issued Team orders...he seemed like ...he needed to be right... :irked:
I did like Ted...& his notebook prog...but I'm changing my mind....
According to him the new cars don't have spark plugs......didn't hear how he eplained about Lewis' problem/ DNF at Oz. Or have I got that wrong?
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