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[supeindesu]

well i think he is saying that Piquet in order to keep his seat had to do this for the team.

On the contrary. There's no driver in the world who make suck as stupid thing if it's not by his own will.

If Renault really knew what happened, did you think they would sent him home that way?, knewing that, Piquetinho (as it happened) will have the control on his own hands. I think that very few people knew that (in order to prevent leaks), and when Piquetinho was fired, he choosed to shut up, instead of getting that "advantage" to try to get his seat back, he was only thinking about kick some a55e5 (including his naughty one).

[bud]

well i think he is saying that Piquet in order to keep his seat had to do this for the team.

On the contrary. There's no driver in the world who make suck as stupid thing if it's not by his own will.

If Renault really knew what happened, did you think they would sent him home that way?, knewing that, Piquetinho (as it happened) will have the control on his own hands. I think that very few people knew that (in order to prevent leaks), and when Piquetinho was fired, he choosed to shut up, instead of getting that "advantage" to try to get his seat back, he was only thinking about kick some a55e5 (including his naughty one).

what the hell are you on about?

[kerc]

well i think he is saying that Piquet in order to keep his seat had to do this for the team.

On the contrary. There's no driver in the world who make suck as stupid thing if it's not by his own will.

If Renault really knew what happened, did you think they would sent him home that way?, knewing that, Piquetinho (as it happened) will have the control on his own hands. I think that very few people knew that (in order to prevent leaks), and when Piquetinho was fired, he choosed to shut up, instead of getting that "advantage" to try to get his seat back, he was only thinking about kick some a55e5 (including his naughty one).

what the hell are you on about?

Nice drugs!

[irons_4_ever]

qpr are screwed now because of this flavio will have to leave

[headless]

qpr are screwed now because of this flavio will have to leave

Well they aren't screwed they still got Bernie and Mr.Rich tyccon bloke fella.

[McLaren Fan]

Big Azza has shown that he is a hypocrite and has no moral compass whatsoever. After attempting to foist his imaginary friend on forum members, he then set about preaching to the forum about the vices of people who work in the City and venting his spleen about the decadence of 21st century life. Now, however, he is defending a guy who risked his own wellbeing (and possibly life) and the lives of numerous stewards and spectators, and potentially jepardised the battle for the 2008 Formula One drivers' title. And, furthermore, only came forward about the crime because he wanted to reap vengeance on his former employers.

[darwin dali]

Big Azza has shown that he is a hypocrite and has no moral compass whatsoever. After attempting to foist his imaginary friend on forum members, he then set about preaching to the forum about the vices of people who work in the City and venting his spleen about the decadence of 21st century life. Now, however, he is defending a guy who risked his own wellbeing (and possibly life) and the lives of numerous stewards and spectators, and potentially jepardised the battle for the 2008 Formula One drivers' title. And, furthermore, only came forward about the crime because he wanted to reap vengeance on his former employers.

A bit harsh

But

[billindenver]

Big Azza has shown that he is a hypocrite and has no moral compass whatsoever. After attempting to foist his imaginary friend on forum members, he then set about preaching to the forum about the vices of people who work in the City and venting his spleen about the decadence of 21st century life. Now, however, he is defending a guy who risked his own wellbeing (and possibly life) and the lives of numerous stewards and spectators, and potentially jepardised the battle for the 2008 Formula One drivers' title. And, furthermore, only came forward about the crime because he wanted to reap vengeance on his former employers.

McLaren fan and I don't always see eye to eye...but in this case.....

[Big Azza]

My religion has nothing to do with me standing up for Piquet. But notice I'm not standing up for Briatore or Symonds.

If my moral compass was really affected, I would be also standing up for rest of the Renault team. I always respect the drivers point of view. They always cop the biggest amount of crap, because it's their jobs that are on the line more than anyone else in the sport.

[McLaren Fan]

The rest of the Renault team were under pressure, including Briatore and Symonds. Formula One is pressure. Renault's involvement in Formula One was in some doubt, so the team needed a boost, or to show some signs of improvement at the very least. That looked like coming at the 2008 Singapore Grand, until Alonso's car had a technical failure in qualifying. All Piquet had to worry about was himself. He acted wholly out of self-interest - exactly the thing you despise. Briatore, however, had a team of hundreds of people to look after and much bigger fish to fry than Piquet. If you are going to cut Piquet some slack, then you must do the same for Briatore and Symonds.

[Big Azza]

I will make no further comment because it appears my opinion on Piquet is wrong.

I will not contest any accusations hurled at me from here on now in this thread.

[headless]

I will make no further comment because it appears my opinion on Piquet is wrong.

I will not contest any accusations hurled at me from here on now in this thread.

Shame I have enjoyed the handbags

[al4x]

i dont think renaults punishment was enough, maybe stripping of constructor point? i know it wasnt the team and was 3 peiople [so it seems] and renault have acted quickly, but i still think something severe was in prder,

maybe a striping of this or next years points but sti;l being able to race? tho would a team try if that were the case, a massive fine and i feel they would have left

but you cant tailor a punishment to a teams circumstances

with all the news, i will still be able to support renault,

glad piquet is out, and hope he never gets a seat [if he desnt least he cant use the excuser of a ban to say why] not only was he useless he shows he has no self respect or moral standing

briatore? never liked the guy, was he as guilty as FIA say? was the whistle blower just after his scalp? that radio transmiasson is odd ...

pat, shame hes out but its a fair punishment, he knows what he did was wrong and i feel is ashamed of himself, and thats a bigger punishment for him

so i cant complain, or moan really, bottom line is im glad renault are still gonna race, and know they got let off lightly, and would rather that than get a fair punishment and be banned, so yeah thats team bias for ya least i know it

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

Ecclestone: Briatore ban too harsh

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, September 24th 2009, 08:11 GMT

Bernie Ecclestone thinks Flavio Briatore's lifetime motorsport ban for race fixing was too harsh - but believes the former Renault team principal could have avoided it by owning up to what happened.

Just days after the FIA announced that Briatore would be banned for an indefinite period from any involvement in FIA-sanctioned series for his part in the Singapore Grand Prix race fix, Ecclestone spoke out against the severity of the punishment.

Speaking during a media event with F1 partner LG Electronics in Singapore, Ecclestone said he believed it correct that Renault were given a two-year suspended ban, but that the punishment for Briatore went too far.

"If you look at it sensibly, the people at the top had not the slightest idea," said Ecclestone. "The people in the Renault F1 team had not the slightest idea.

"There were three people who knew what was going on and that is it. No one else was involved. Those people have been dealt with – in my view quite harshly in [regards to] Flavio. I don't think it was necessary, but I was on the commission so I am probably just as guilty as anyone else. On reflection it wasn't necessary."

He added: "It was too much. Definitely too much."

However, Ecclestone suggests that Briatore could have avoided such a draconian penalty if he had owned up to his involvement in the plot – as Renault's former director of engineering Pat Symonds did prior to being handed a five-year motorsport ban.

"Firstly he [Flavio] was invited to appear [in front of the World Motor Sport Council] and his lawyers wrote and said the FIA have no jurisdiction as far as he is concerned, which was probably right.

"But it was not the right thing to say. It would have been just as easy to go – to say: 'I was caught with my hand in the till, it seemed a good idea at the time, and I am sorry.' There is an organisation that works very, very well on that idea – where the people go to a box and confess..."

He added: "Honestly, I am a friend of Flavio's. He has just handled the whole thing badly. He could have handled it in a completely different way, and they would have said, ‘you were a naughty boy' and that would have been the end of it."

Ecclestone also suggests that Briatore would be wise to avoid taking the matter to civil court if he is unhappy with the punishment.

"It would be stupid of Flavio to do that. He should ask to be heard by the court of appeal," he said. "He should appeal to the FIA. If he goes to a civil court I don't think he would win. Because the FIA would have to defend and somebody will say that he sent a young guy out to what could have been to his death. So it wouldn't go down too well."

Ecclestone also revealed that his friendship with Briatore had been strained by the events of recent days.

When asked for his opinion on how Briatore was handling what had happened, Ecclestone said: "He's not talking to me, I don't know. He thinks I should have defended him, which I couldn't."

[myownalias]

What a shame!!! Bernie isn't happy with Flavio's punishment, could this be to do with their joint ownership of English football club QPR which Briatore will probably have to relinquish because he no longer qualifies to own an English football club according to FA rules! Briatore is still in defiance and likely to still take legal action against the Piquet's; which he will lose as it wasn't false allegations hence Briatore's punishment! Now there is talk of a rival series, which is what he wanted anyway as he was one of the main advocates of FOTA creating a breakaway series. I won't miss Briatore's antagonistic personality one little bit! I believe Briatore got what he had coming to him!