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#343674
 wrote:">Fernando Alonso says he would support Felipe Massa F1 title bid


Fernando Alonso says he would have no qualms about playing a supporting role to Ferrari team-mate Felipe Massa if the Brazilian needed it.

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The Spanish driver has overshadowed Massa in the three years they have been together at the Italian squad, but the Brazilian had a much stronger second half of the 2012 Formula 1 season, during which he was faster than Alonso in some races.

Massa said on Thursday that his resurgence has left him upbeat about his chances of fighting for wins and the title in 2013.

Alonso insisted people continue to under-rate Massa, who he reckons has proven to be one of the best drivers in the F1 field.

"Sure, it is not the first time I have helped him and surely it will not be the last," Alonso said when asked if he would support Massa's title challenge if required.

"We help each other continuously, for the good of Ferrari.

"Felipe is one of the best drivers in the world. I have been repeating this for three years, and at times people look surprised when I say this during press conferences."

Alonso believes his gap to Massa in the standings in the past three years has been 'strange' and reckons they do not reflect the Brazilian's real speed.

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"At the end of the 2012 season people realised he is one of the best in the world," Alonso said.

"These last few seasons there was a gap that I never had [with team-mates] in the past, and points wise it was something strange, because usually we should have been on a more equal level as far as points are concerned."

Massa, who secured a one-year contract thanks to his late resurgence in 2012, is convinced that Ferrari wants him to be as strong as Alonso rather than just playing a supporting role.

"I cannot really imagine or think about a team that does not want one of its drivers to be competitive," he said.

"It would be absurd to have just one good car, and one good driver."




I see this, and I want to check the URL for The Onion. Lets hope its true. Massa is indeed a quality driver from what I saw in 2008.
#347230
I'm not sure what to do with Alonso.
There's been a lot of discussion about how good or bad the Ferrari really was, and Alonso's efforts in downtuning the car's pace in the media. But I'm just short of thinking he's just completely lost it now. His latest comment:

"At the end of the year we were quite far from [pace-setters] Red Bull and McLaren, in a group with force Force India and Sauber behind Lotus," -[url='http://planetf1.com/news/3213/8511451/Alonso-Talks-Up-Ferrari-Title-Challenge']link[/url]


I think not even the biggest Alonso fan would argue that they were anything but the third fastest car in the latter half. But if there was still some doubt, let's just look at the numbers from Hungary on:

  • Vettel: 171 points
  • Alonso: 124 points
  • Button: 120 points
  • Kimi: 109 points
  • Massa: 99 points
  • Hamilton: 98 points
  • Webber: 59 points
  • Hülkenberg: 44 points
  • Grosjean: 35 points
  • Kobayashi: 27 points
  • Perez: 19 points
  • di Resta: 19 points
  • Red Bull: 295
  • Ferrari: 223
  • McLaren: 218
  • Lotus: 144
  • Force India: 63
  • Sauber: 46

Even if believe in Alonso's 0.6 second talent, Massa had double the points of those Alonso claims were as fast or faster than Ferrari. Massa was just 10 points short of scoring as much as Force India and Sauber combined, who were apparently in the same group.

Even just taking qualifying, which some ascribe to being indicative of race pace (big if), of the 60 times a Lotus, Force India or Sauber could have been faster than Massa (again, let's assume the worst of the car), 20 times is hardly shocking.

By taking the latter half of the year, it's actually doing Alonso a favor, as taking anything closer to the actual end, only makes the comment further from the truth.

When you take out the Lotusses, 9 out of 40 shows the rediculousness of even including Force India and Sauber.
Fernando is definitely one of the three best drivers out there right now, but why the constant need for these kind of comments that are rediculous on every conceivable level?
#347232
I think every driver tries to insulate themselves against the unforeseen. I'm actually trying to think of a driver in recent memory that came out and said we've got the best car out there and it's our championship to lose and I don't think even Vettel in 2011 said that.
#347238
I think every driver tries to insulate themselves against the unforeseen. I'm actually trying to think of a driver in recent memory that came out and said we've got the best car out there and it's our championship to lose and I don't think even Vettel in 2011 said that.

Agree, but there's a world of difference between not saying you had the best car, and basically your talent alone gave you 4 times as many points as your car should have had (best Sauber > Alonso).
#347248
I think every driver tries to insulate themselves against the unforeseen. I'm actually trying to think of a driver in recent memory that came out and said we've got the best car out there and it's our championship to lose and I don't think even Vettel in 2011 said that.

Agree, but there's a world of difference between not saying you had the best car, and basically your talent alone gave you 4 times as many points as your car should have had (best Sauber > Alonso).

Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. I mean, legends have to start somewhere. :hehe:
#347931
Please tell me you dont believe what Alonso said, its mind games. Although the Ferrari's 1 lap pace was shocking all season. Alonso only got 2 pole positions and both were in the wet. The race pace was a lot better though!

Ferrari were 3rd best in 2012, and it was only down to McLaren unreliability that they scraped 2nd in the WCC,but back to Alonso's comments - surely you all remember Schumacher turning up at a race saying his car was awful and after getting pole and winning the race with the fastest lap, acting suprised that he had won. Alonso is doing no different to Schumacher and knows exactly what he's doing!
#348263
Lotus were quicker than Ferrari overall in 2012, although the final third of the season Ferrari were 3rd fastest.


If Grosjean hadnt have crashed out of half of the races Lotus probably would have been 2nd in the WCC, Ferrari were slower than McLaren and Lotus but got 2nd in the WCC thanks to Alonso's skill and the consistent reliability they showed - only 3 DNF's for Ferrari in 2012 and they were all crashes!
#357992
Oh Dear

http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-221988.html

A photographer claims Fernando Alonso broke his EUR 6,000 camera whilst trying to take pictures of the Ferrari driver and his model girlfriend.

According to reports, the photographer complained that Spaniard Alonso reacted angrily and manhandled him during the incident in Barcelona ahead of this weekend's Spanish grand prix.

The photographer, who said he has complained to authorities, said witnesses also saw Alonso attack him and smash the camera against the ground.

"Let's see if through this complaint he learns to have more respect for the press," the photographer is quoted by La Repubblica.

"He is an example to millions of children? He knows perfectly well that he was not provoked."
#358024
Well, "paddock talk" doesn't seem so reputable,

Regardless, Alonso is known to get pissed of with media intrusions, the photographer should just consider himself lucky it wasn't Kimi.


Yeah I remember Kimi pushing that photographer over in GB. Moody bugger.

I don't like seeing the drivers manhandle the photographers, they've got a job to do, and their equipment is expensive.
#358027
Would like to hear all sides of the story, but, as a principle, drivers are media personalities and that's part of the job. Some media people can be w4nkers, but the drivers have to learn to ignore them. Of course there still are boundaries that media shouldn't cross
#358057
Well, "paddock talk" doesn't seem so reputable,

Regardless, Alonso is known to get pissed of with media intrusions, the photographer should just consider himself lucky it wasn't Kimi.


Yeah I remember Kimi pushing that photographer over in GB. Moody bugger.

I don't like seeing the drivers manhandle the photographers, they've got a job to do, and their equipment is expensive.


The guys camera is reported to cost €6,000, or £5073.08 in real money. Hope the photographer sues the bottom off Alonso. :whip:
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