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By bud
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Smug f***s :P Go back in the pen with the other sheep!



RB8 as presented is pretty standard. The driver cooling stuff on the front will be well dissected by all the teams but it's not going to be doing much. Only bit that tweaked by interested was the boxy rear brake fins, looks like the exhaust is aimed at them, are they some sort of mini diffusers? Doubt it and hard to see cause of the dark. Remains to be seen what they haven't shown at the launch :)


Looks far more impressive than the red McLaren.
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By bigpat
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I think that many will copy this little bump-wing during the season...


McLaren won't be :hehe: I don't think many teams will, again this Redbull version probably creates a bit of downforce but the flow to the cars floor is more important than this piece alone.



What if McLaren's much slower than the rest of teams with that bump?


different concepts of getting flow to the floor and diffuser. McLaren are running what they have the last few seasons and it worked for them. These new regs teams that had high noses last year have had to lower them but they have lowered them to the exact limit allowed thus you see the bump. McLaren already had a nose lower than the new regs allowed so they haven't changed anything, they would have had to raise their nose but that goes against the evolution of their car. I think fans are concentrating too much on these noses and not looking at the bigger picture.


It takes balls to stand alone.



I'm with you there. A relatively insignificant part, gets all the attention.....

As always with aerodynamics ( and fluids), its not the part where you're 'pushing' air out of the way that matters, ie: nosecones, but rather where you are trying to "pull" air around that is the really important part,like the floor, suction side of wings, endplates diffuser, etc.......

Little wing in the front isn't conducive to trying to achieve even flow over the top surfaces of the car. If its proved beneficial, McLaren are in the box seat, as they can easily mount a decent sized element on their lower nose......

Poor Sauber, the car looks terrible, largely due to the colour scheme. Nothing wrong with an all white car, they always look good. As usual, it's lack of aero development through the season that will keep them back....

Toro Rosso looks like a good evolution of last years car. They believe in their concept, and stuck to it, good for them....

The RB8 is clearly a refinement. As can be deduced from the Adrian Newey Q & A, their familiarity with their evolved cars, means they clearly know how and where the rule changes affect them. As in years past, its the bits we can't see, or understand from the outside, that will be the real strength of the car.

The quickest team from the last year is always the car that looks the goods standing still......

We'll know when testing begins. When cars do consistently quick times in succession on old rubber, that's the sign....
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By spankyham
#289855
Smug f***s :P Go back in the pen with the other sheep!



RB8 as presented is pretty standard. The driver cooling stuff on the front will be well dissected by all the teams but it's not going to be doing much. Only bit that tweaked by interested was the boxy rear brake fins, looks like the exhaust is aimed at them, are they some sort of mini diffusers? Doubt it and hard to see cause of the dark. Remains to be seen what they haven't shown at the launch :)


Looks far more impressive than the red McLaren.


There's an interesting twist on the '08 "Silver Ferrari". I guess we have to wait for Australia.
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By scotty
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Play spot the difference. The eagle eyed amonst you will notice a fair number of differences between the car that ran the shakedown today, and the launch car from yesterday. Point being, don't waste too much time speculating based on launch models...
#289858
Anyone care to place a bet as to how long before Macca fan paranoia hits this forum?

Can one of the mods add this bit of code to our front page to save lots and lots of posts....

*/ Begin Function Winter-Testing-Panic-set-in
IF my team/driver is slower than other team/driver
THEN other team/driver has light fuel
OR is doing glory-run
AND go to endless reams of comparisons and charts extracting meaningless minutia of data that makes things look rosy for me but ends up being completely wrong anyway
ENDIF

IF my team/driver = not doing as many laps as others
THEN we have completed our work schedule
AND we are analyzing all the data we have successfully collected


I think it's a race between some McLaren fans and one Ferrari principal. So can you please update the code and I'll be sure it's immediately installed on the forum. :wink:
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By bud
#289859
Smug f***s :P Go back in the pen with the other sheep!



RB8 as presented is pretty standard. The driver cooling stuff on the front will be well dissected by all the teams but it's not going to be doing much. Only bit that tweaked by interested was the boxy rear brake fins, looks like the exhaust is aimed at them, are they some sort of mini diffusers? Doubt it and hard to see cause of the dark. Remains to be seen what they haven't shown at the launch :)


Looks far more impressive than the red McLaren.


There's an interesting twist on the '08 "Silver Ferrari". I guess we have to wait for Australia.


There was only a red 08 Ferrari just <EDIT: I think what bud meant to say is; very passionate yet sometimes irrational WB> tifosi believe otherwise. Interesting if you put tifosi in google translate Italian to English you get sheep!

But that's ok Ferrari only ever poach whether it be drivers engineers or whole teams just ask Benetton.
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Play spot the difference. The eagle eyed amonst you will notice a fair number of differences between the car that ran the shakedown today, and the launch car from yesterday. Point being, don't waste too much time speculating based on launch models...


R31? :hehe:

Yeah few details have changed exhaust & keel being the most visible.
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Anyone care to place a bet as to how long before Macca fan paranoia hits this forum?


I think the tifosi should be the paranoid ones... when was the last time they finished ahead of McLaren in the WCC? 2008? Shocking! :P

As for the Williams, all I can say is I hope it's better than last year's car!
By andrew
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/02/07/williams-fw34-pictures-williams-2012-f1-car/

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i see williams went on a different tyre strategy for their unveiling. good call, i think. never know how long those photo ops are gonna last.


Another Ferrari-esque bump! :thumbdown:
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By f1ea
#289876
Adrian Newey's latest design incorporates the stepped nose seen on many other 2012 cars, meaning McLaren is currently the only team not to go down that route.


Guess the stepped nose is the fastest ;)
By LRW
#289879
Thing is.... these testing sessions dont really mean anything, when it comes to comparing cars, and times. No point making judgements on who we think has the fastest car based on some test laps, and what we think we know about aerodynamics. Lets wait until at least Australia or Malaysia, before we start making sweeping statements about what a marvelous job AN has doen again.
#289881
Adrian Newey's latest design incorporates the stepped nose seen on many other 2012 cars, meaning McLaren is currently the only team not to go down that route.


Guess the stepped nose is the fastest ;)


Or that no other team on the grid was able to design a car as fast as the McLaren. :whip:
By Hammer278
#289882
Adrian Newey's latest design incorporates the stepped nose seen on many other 2012 cars, meaning McLaren is currently the only team not to go down that route.


Guess the stepped nose is the fastest ;)


Or that no other team on the grid was able to design a car as fast as the McLaren. :whip:


:thumbup:

My thoughts exactly. Either McLaren are the fastest....or will end up 6th in WCC at most (behind Lotus as well) :hehe:
By LRW
#289884
My thoughts exactly. Either McLaren are the fastest....or will end up 6th in WCC at most (behind Lotus as well) :hehe:


I think, the area that Mclaren (or their supporters) should be paying more attention to, is where they are blowing their gas exhausts out of. From what I have read, they are working very close to the limit of the regs....

“On exhausts…bear in mind that the FIA’s Charlie Whiting, who writes the rules, has said that he doesn’t want to see any aerodynamic influence with what teams are doing with their exhausts this year. That’s at the heart of an argument we’re heading towards between the teams, because some teams like Lotus/Renault, Williams, Force India and Toro Rosso have not tried to do something clever with the exhausts that affects their aerodynamic performance.

“But then you’ve got other teams, like McLaren and Ferrari, that definitely have done that. McLaren’s exhausts run through a channel set into the rear bodywork and out into the airstream. Ferrari’s exhausts also exit a channel which points to the top of the diffuser and the rear tyres. They will argue that this is just the way they want to exit their exhaust and that it doesn’t have any aerodynamic influence. But the other teams believe that that’s not the case.

“The teams can’t unlearn things they’ve learnt about how to use exhaust gas to create downforce. So, within the rules, they are still trying to find a way to use their exhaust gas to make air flow over the diffuser. There are other teams who believe what McLaren and Ferrari are doing is illegal. At the moment, they’re the only two teams who we’ve seen channeling their exhaust in this way.”
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