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[scotty]

Sauber 6th in the constructors? I'd be pretty satisfied with that at the end of the season.

Vettel earned this one today when he nailed that outlap. Fair play.

As for the title race, it's getting to the stage where the damage will have been done in the next couple of races (if it isn't already).

And on the exhuast overrun row - if it's declared illegal then it's illegal, end of (just like the flexi wings...). Arguing an opinion on it is fine but the only one that matters is that of the powers that be. If there's no grey area then there'd be no argument whatsoever, yet there is. My thoughts... it's a nice innovation but i agree with a point made by someone on the BBC coverage today, in that it'd just spout all these ridiculous alternate uses (like the f-duct would have done), which is something that F1 is supposedly trying to get away from at the moment. All the while ramping up costs massively.

[Hammer278]

Martin Whitmarsh, team principal "Jenson was edged down to 10th place on the first lap, and from then on he was always going to be playing catch-up. But, using a three-stop strategy hatched in response to that setback, he did just that. He caught up superbly, in fact, balancing the need for speed with the equally crucial requirement that he look after his tyres, and the result was that he ended up on the podium alongside Sebastian and Lewis. It was one of those drives that marks out a true world champion. As for Lewis, he drove another storming race, taking the fight to Sebastian from lights to flag. It's probably fair to say that Red Bull are still a little quicker than us in qualifying, but Lewis showed this afternoon that in race spec we're now able to match them every inch of the way. Indeed, Lewis was looking for a way past Sebastian in the final few laps - their battle must have made for a thrilling finale for TV viewers and trackside spectators alike - but in the end he just couldn't pull it off. Nonetheless, as I say, he drove brilliantly. In summary, then, we scored 33 world championship points today, which is another decent haul. But we want to win and we intend to win, and that's exactly what we'll be doing our damnedest to do on the famously challenging streets of Monte-Carlo in just a few days' time."

Is he serious? Did anyone think "What a Champ" when seeing Button drive today? Martin is trying a bit too hard to keep Jenson's ego in reasonable shape I think.

[darwin dali]

HRT protesting the diffuser is a load of

RBR have had it since the start of 2010. All the top teams had it half way through 2010. Every team has some version at least in trial form apart from HRT. They need to be looking inward rather than complaining about something every other team is working on. If it came down the a petition do we think the FIA will bend to HRT or to RBR, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Renault... Pick you battles Colin

The off throttle engine mapping I can maybe understand people having a problem with but the exhausts have been around for so long and no one even hinted at them being illegal until a few weeks ago. They could have noticed it last year and banned it along with the f-duct by making a ruling about bodywork within x mm of the exhausts or something but they didn't.

In a hypothetical situation where it does get banned even if other teams suffer more than RBR, i.e. its a greater % of their downforce, all that needs to happen is the RB7 to lose enough downforce that it can no longer use the DRS in corners where others can't and they sudden lose alot more of their qualifying advantage.

Maybe since no one can figure out RBR's front wing they have decided to start throwing poo over something else.

Actually Williams (and I believe Virgin) don't have the blown diffuser either. And Whiting's machinations were actually instigated by an inquiry from Williams (again ).

Williams and Virgin have tried to implement it. The slowest teams on the grid shouldn't be complaining just because they can't figure something out. It isn't even a grey area like the flexi-wing is.

Also my looking inward comments apply to Williams these days too. Time and energy better spent sorting yourself out.

Not disagreeing.

[vaptin]

Martin Whitmarsh, team principal "Jenson was edged down to 10th place on the first lap, and from then on he was always going to be playing catch-up. But, using a three-stop strategy hatched in response to that setback, he did just that. He caught up superbly, in fact, balancing the need for speed with the equally crucial requirement that he look after his tyres, and the result was that he ended up on the podium alongside Sebastian and Lewis. It was one of those drives that marks out a true world champion. As for Lewis, he drove another storming race, taking the fight to Sebastian from lights to flag. It's probably fair to say that Red Bull are still a little quicker than us in qualifying, but Lewis showed this afternoon that in race spec we're now able to match them every inch of the way. Indeed, Lewis was looking for a way past Sebastian in the final few laps - their battle must have made for a thrilling finale for TV viewers and trackside spectators alike - but in the end he just couldn't pull it off. Nonetheless, as I say, he drove brilliantly. In summary, then, we scored 33 world championship points today, which is another decent haul. But we want to win and we intend to win, and that's exactly what we'll be doing our damnedest to do on the famously challenging streets of Monte-Carlo in just a few days' time."

Is he serious? Did anyone think "What a Champ" when seeing Button drive today? Martin is trying a bit too hard to keep Jenson's ego in reasonable shape I think.

He was referring to how he salvaged a podium, maybe its a language and culture thing - but in sports its reasonably known for pundits/ commentators et al to say something along the lines of "mark of champions" when they get a good result whilst appearing to be having an off day.

[scotty]

Button had a bad first lap but made the strategy work for him to recover to the podium, pulling out the moves where he needed to on the way. I fail to see where his drive is worthy of ridicule except for maybe 'allowing' himself to get hung out on the first lap, something that admittedly has a fair degree of luck involved. Perhaps Whitmarsh was referring to his ability to make that strategy work today, something that i'd agree with because not a lot of drivers could have managed it.

[Hammer278]

I guess its a language thing then. If I didn't watch the race and just read Whitmarsh's comments, I'd think Lewis did a good job with Button being the driver of the day.

[CarBore]

Sauber 6th in the constructors? I'd be pretty satisfied with that at the end of the season.

Vettel earned this one today when he nailed that outlap. Fair play.

As for the title race, it's getting to the stage where the damage will have been done in the next couple of races (if it isn't already).

And on the exhuast overrun row - if it's declared illegal then it's illegal, end of (just like the flexi wings...). Arguing an opinion on it is fine but the only one that matters is that of the powers that be. If there's no grey area then there'd be no argument whatsoever, yet there is. My thoughts... it's a nice innovation but i agree with a point made by someone on the BBC coverage today, in that it'd just spout all these ridiculous alternate uses (like the f-duct would have done), which is something that F1 is supposedly trying to get away from at the moment. All the while ramping up costs massively.

I was referring to the whole blown diffuser being legal, not the exhaust overrun, which is something slightly dodgy as the are using burning fuel solely for downforce rather than getting downforce as a byproduct of generating torque.

The way things are shaping up Sauber are definately shaping up as the top of the midfield, they seem significantly better than FI STR and williams these days. Tackling the mightier Renault and Merc might be a challenge.

[vlad]

Sauber has great drivers too, especially Kobe!

[f1ea]

oh boy...

What a start by alonso, but what a terrible race. Ferrari are in pretty awful shape. It seems they cant Q decently without spending more tires than the rest, and they cant get their tires to last longer than the others' despite not being able to catch temperature easily for a quick 1 lap..... in other words.. they are screwed.

Vettel is clearly going to win the championship. This race was a difficult one, and the way he won it is just a showcase of why he won last yr and why he's been winning all yr: TOP LEVEL CONSISTENCY. Lewis, Alonso and Jenson have had "remarkable" races, but once in a while have a so-so race. I dont even remember Vettel's last so-so race!!

Anyway.... who cares about anything else, when Vettel is kicking such arse............

Perez drove a nice race, not better than Heidfeld and considering Kamui got a flat on Lap 1 he had a solid race, Schumi was not miserable.

But again... who cares?

[Robert12010]

Sauber 6th in the constructors? I'd be pretty satisfied with that at the end of the season.

Vettel earned this one today when he nailed that outlap. Fair play.

As for the title race, it's getting to the stage where the damage will have been done in the next couple of races (if it isn't already).

And on the exhuast overrun row - if it's declared illegal then it's illegal, end of (just like the flexi wings...). Arguing an opinion on it is fine but the only one that matters is that of the powers that be. If there's no grey area then there'd be no argument whatsoever, yet there is. My thoughts... it's a nice innovation but i agree with a point made by someone on the BBC coverage today, in that it'd just spout all these ridiculous alternate uses (like the f-duct would have done), which is something that F1 is supposedly trying to get away from at the moment. All the while ramping up costs massively.

so are you suggesting that some money laundering idiot dictates how things are run

[scotty]

so are you suggesting that some money laundering idiot dictates how things are run

Erm... Who are you referring to exactly?

[Coronis]

Well just watched the race tonight, and I gotta say, Vettel and Lewis are just a class above right now, seems like everybody else is just fighting for 3rd place. Unfortunate race for Webber, stuck behind Alonso, otherwise he would definitely be at least 3rd, and a lot closer to the leaders. Speaking of Alonso, great start, pretty average rest of the race. Button I thought did very well considering his start, brilliant tyre management from him. Petrov really showed how important tyre management is, just didn't have good pace for the second half of the race. Rosberg had a kinda similar situation to Webber with being behind Schuey, dunno if he would've been anywhere near Fernando even so. Heidfeld was just brilliant IMO, 15 secs behind Rosberg on lapm 61 and was right there on the last lap. Great strategy from both Saubers, very solid drives. Big disappointment for me was Maldonaldo, not a good race at all.

Really don't see how Massa is gonna be keeping his seat in the future.... Kobayashi or Perez will surely get his seat eventually.

[Robert12010]

so are you suggesting that some money laundering idiot dictates how things are run

Erm... Who are you referring to exactly?

colin kolles, i couldnt trust him as far as i could throw the idiot....but anyway my point is, how can he possible start shouting, and if he protested, and won, well then the whole sport would be thrown up in the air, as the news of the world described it very well .........chicken UP!

[scotty]

so are you suggesting that some money laundering idiot dictates how things are run

Erm... Who are you referring to exactly?

colin kolles, i couldnt trust him as far as i could throw the idiot....but anyway my point is, how can he possible start shouting, and if he protested, and won, well then the whole sport would be thrown up in the air, as the news of the world described it very well .........chicken UP!

Nah, not suggesting that about Kolles at all, he's not the only person protesting it though... i personally think there's something to do with the Cosworth engine going on here, as Williams are part of this too. Maybe using overrun really knackers their engines, something like that.

[Robert12010]

so are you suggesting that some money laundering idiot dictates how things are run

Erm... Who are you referring to exactly?

colin kolles, i couldnt trust him as far as i could throw the idiot....but anyway my point is, how can he possible start shouting, and if he protested, and won, well then the whole sport would be thrown up in the air, as the news of the world described it very well .........chicken UP!

Nah, not suggesting that about Kolles at all, he's not the only person protesting it though... i personally think there's something to do with the Cosworth engine going on here, as Williams are part of this too. Maybe using overrun really knackers their engines, something like that.

just complaning because we havent got it basiclly,