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[sagi58]

In other words...

 wrote:">McLaren wants engine unfreeze

...Boullier. "But it's a competition and we can change the cars as much as we want. Within the regulations I think engines should be frozen once every manufacturer has been able to develop their engines. If you disallow the competition, then this goes a against the spirit of the sport."

Boullier says Mercedes deserves praise for the way it has dominated the new V6 turbo era but thinks it will be a long time before any team catches up under the current regulations.

"They benefited from the fact that they did a very good job and they benefited from the fact that the regulations are locked with the engines being frozen. Most of the gains they have had come from the engine and they will for a couple of years until everybody can match them in terms of development. This is what they are benefiting from and if you could unfreeze the engine regs, you will see some catch up."

[racechick]

I wonder why Mclaren didn't benefit likewise last year from having the fastest engine? I wonder why they didn't show ruthless lack of consideration for the opposition by winning races and getting poles? How very magnanimous of Mclaren not to exploit their advantage and stifle competition.

[What's Burning?]

Very well put Second Coming. I don't understand why this is proving so difficult for some to grasp

It's not difficult to grasp that Mercedes has an advantage that they just don't want to let go.
Can't blame them for that; however, it's not about being altruistic and wanting to save money,
nor is it about sticking to the rules and principles. It's about the advantage. Period.

And it's that the same period that applies to you, Horner, overboost and Ferrari? It's not about stifling competition, or killing the sport or being too costly, it's about not wanting to pay the price for having gotten the new regulations woefully wrong and now being on the back foot for a couple of years to come. Period.

So why continue the circular arguments? Let's enjoy Mercedes and Hamilton add to their championship totals.

[CookinFlat6]

In other words...

 wrote:">McLaren wants engine unfreeze

...Boullier. "But it's a competition and we can change the cars as much as we want. Within the regulations I think engines should be frozen once every manufacturer has been able to develop their engines. If you disallow the competition, then this goes a against the spirit of the sport."

Boullier says Mercedes deserves praise for the way it has dominated the new V6 turbo era but thinks it will be a long time before any team catches up under the current regulations.

"They benefited from the fact that they did a very good job and they benefited from the fact that the regulations are locked with the engines being frozen. Most of the gains they have had come from the engine and they will for a couple of years until everybody can match them in terms of development. This is what they are benefiting from and if you could unfreeze the engine regs, you will see some catch up."

You are probably right that if they had remained a Merc customer EB would not have made these comments.

For the 739th time, OB explains the Bouiler quote he has been explaining for the last few pages, lets start at the beginning in case some didnt get the quote from Bouiler

[overboost]

In other words...

 wrote:">McLaren wants engine unfreeze

...Boullier. "But it's a competition and we can change the cars as much as we want. Within the regulations I think engines should be frozen once every manufacturer has been able to develop their engines. If you disallow the competition, then this goes a against the spirit of the sport."

Boullier says Mercedes deserves praise for the way it has dominated the new V6 turbo era but thinks it will be a long time before any team catches up under the current regulations.

"They benefited from the fact that they did a very good job and they benefited from the fact that the regulations are locked with the engines being frozen. Most of the gains they have had come from the engine and they will for a couple of years until everybody can match them in terms of development. This is what they are benefiting from and if you could unfreeze the engine regs, you will see some catch up."

You are probably right that if they had remained a Merc customer EB would not have made these comments.

For the 739th time, OB explains the Bouiler quote he has been explaining for the last few pages, lets start at the beginning in case some didnt get the quote from Bouiler

Cookinflat6 are you claiming that you know better than Boullier? You have had many opportunities to comment on EB's assessment of Merc's advantage gained from the engine rules but strangely (especially for you!) you are silent. I had even asked you directly to give your opinion three days ago but no response. Ignoring the facts won't make them go away!

Boullier observations are exactly opposed to your flawed arguments. If you aren't going to address them then just stop wasting our time with mindless posts and sing-a-long videos!

Imo the best thing for you to do and to help gain a little credibility around here would be to just say yes, Mercedes is hiding behind the flawed engine freeze rules and is afraid that open competition with the teams could eliminate their advantage.

[racechick]

loosing the will to live now!

[What's Burning?]

We'll gladly say that if you just shut up about it. Yes. Mercedes will just have to hang their head in shame as they dominate the next few years teams that obviously don't know a lick about making engines and shouldn't be in the sport since they are so hamstrung by their inabilities.

[sagi58]

...So why continue the circular arguments? Let's enjoy Mercedes and Hamilton add to their championship totals.

You're right!! Let's agree to disagree, as there will never be a consensus on this particular issue, here or elsewhere!

As for enjoying another Mercedes season, thanks; but, no thanks!
I'm still hoping commonsense reigns and things will be put right!!

[sagi58]

We'll gladly say that if you just shut up about it. Yes. Mercedes will just have to hang their head in shame as they dominate the next few years teams that obviously don't know a lick about making engines and shouldn't be in the sport since they are so hamstrung by their inabilities.

There is absolutely no reason for them to be ashamed for getting it right,
this year!! The problem will escalte if they continue to refuse to relaxi the freeze.

End of.

[What's Burning?]

Sweetie... with you and OB, nothing is end of.

[sagi58]

Sweetie... with you and OB, nothing is end of.

Admit it... you'd be bored, if it wasn't for either of us!

[What's Burning?]

I'd be relieved. I can entertain myself well enough thank you very much.

[sagi58]

I'm sure you can... entertain yourself.

So, again, the best thing to do is to agree to disagree about this issue.

[CookinFlat6]

I had even asked you directly to give your opinion three days ago but no response. Ignoring the facts won't make them go away!

Boullier observations are exactly opposed to your flawed arguments. If you aren't going to address them then just stop wasting our time with mindless posts and sing-a-long videos!

Imo the best thing for you to do and to help gain a little credibility around here would be to just say yes, Mercedes is hiding behind the flawed engine freeze rules and is afraid that open competition with the teams could eliminate their advantage.

You don't actually have a clue what you talk about. You made an arse if yourself by claiming the teams spent as much money on the engines as they wanted in the v8 era, and that they are been held back now from spending. After I pointed out for the x time that teams don't develop engines you then claimed thou meant hey were been held back from spending money on support and packaging

When Ferrari dominated they benefitted from the unlimited testing rule as they had their own track, after 5 years of that the rules were changed. So no one gives a toss about RBR exploiting the aero regs for 4 years or Merc for the next 6 years- nothing will prevent this. Just like moaning about the tyre test last year won't change things

You're ignorance is amusing but don't expect to provide more than casual target practice with your confused emo outbursts
The engine makers like Renault have told the truth, no one cares less about 2 loser teams, one of which couldn't even work out that to make a powerful engine was better than small side pods when aero no longer makes the main difference due to NEW REGS

And for the last time MS did not develop the v6 during V8 races - it's too late to change for 2015 and reg changes cost money - Ok?

OB - denial IS NOT a river in Egypt

[The Second Coming]

I wonder why Mclaren didn't benefit likewise last year from having the fastest engine? I wonder why they didn't show ruthless lack of consideration for the opposition by winning races and getting poles? How very magnanimous of Mclaren not to exploit their advantage and stifle competition.

+ what she said.