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[Cyril Sneer Racing]

I'm not the one all hot. All the Hamilton fans are trying to make it out as though Rosberg is a cheater and an empty racing suit, even though Rosberg is ahead in points, has won the last two poles, and clearly was winning this race and the last.
Not trying to take anything away from Hamilton, just pointing out you don't need to blame Rosberg to make Hamilton look better.

Rosberg got second in a broken car. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.

More garbage. Sorry but ahead on POINTS? Maybe because his car didn't get cooked on the FORMATION lap in Melbourne? That's 25 points right there mate.

Won the last two poles, okay, do you remember how he "won" the Monaco pole?

How was he clearly winning Canada when Hamilton was right on his tail, and OVERTOOK him during the pits? Like I asked before, have you WATCHED the race?

Lewis has four WINS. Why not mention THAT.

Pure bias, again its easy to see in your post. I was a Rosberg fan until Monaco and now I'm not so sure anymore. I think he's definitely a very tough competitor but you're clearly trying to big up his little achievements and dumb down Hamiltons big ones....basically what you're accusing Hamilton fans of doing. Hypocrisy much?

Have you watched the race? You claimed Hamilton failed first which is a blatant lie. Hypocrisy much indeed, that's why I didn't respond to you.

[CookinFlat6]

Nonetheless Rosberg lost power first and Hamilton cooked his brakes sitting in hot air. If Rosberg made mistakes then Hamilton made even bigger ones. Why the need to take away from Rosberg's performance? Hamilton couldn't pass a slower car and burnt his car in the process.

Lewis couldnt pass a slower car? within the track confines? , Lewis cooked his brakes because he decided to pit?

So Hamilton made mistakes by stopping in the pits and by trying to overtake after stalking Nico for half the race applying pressure? His biggest mistake of the race according to that logic was to actually race at all and maybe settle for 1 point by not driving fast.

Sometimes I am surprised but not often anymore by how big the difference is between how different people see what Lewis does

The point was obvious. Lewis was sitting in the hot air too much. He cooked the brakes. And Rosberg failed first, yet it took too long before Hamilton could attempt a pass.

One point is better than none, especially if the season has potential to be close. You think an impressive loss in broken cars is more important?

Nope, but if you do the maths, going for the win and having a dnf once in a while is better than settling for 1 point, or 2 or 3 etc

You are actually implying that Lewis, Nico and the team knew that the problem would get as bad as it did. Just a couple of quick questions, did you watch the race or the highlights?

And do you agree that Ricciardo is clearly much better than Vettel judging by the last race?

[Hammer278]

Have you watched the race? You claimed Hamilton failed first which is a blatant lie. Hypocrisy much indeed, that's why I didn't respond to you.

Maybe we're not understanding each other. When exactly do you think Rosberg's car showed signs of failure? Note the italics, SIGNS of failure aka "loss of performance on track".

From what I saw Lewis radioed in first about loss of power (gap grew from nothing to over 2 seconds) and a lap later Nico radioed in, with his engineer telling him right away that "his teammate is also having problems".

Clarify if you will.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

I'm not the one all hot. All the Hamilton fans are trying to make it out as though Rosberg is a cheater and an empty racing suit, even though Rosberg is ahead in points, has won the last two poles, and clearly was winning this race and the last.
Not trying to take anything away from Hamilton, just pointing out you don't need to blame Rosberg to make Hamilton look better.

Rosberg got second in a broken car. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.

Have you looked at my signature? Your claims on Rosberg "winning" are pretty absurd, he's been at the right place at the right time. Yesterday's drive was excellent from the point of making something out of what was potentially nothing, but I think in your rush to look for fault you're missing the point being made.

I was referring to the multiple comments, not just from you, that it's not even close, that the team drove the car to second here, that Rosberg is cheating and stealing data to win. That does not mean I'm taking away from Hamilton, it means the people who made these comments have taken away from Rosberg and I'm simply trying to resituate it to reality. It is much closer than it seems and perhaps closer than Hamilton fans are willing to admit. That is all.

Eventually something may happen to allow one of them to run away with it, but at this point it is still too close to call.

And yes, I watched the race. My point in regards to Hamilton possibly burning the brakes is that it is a gamble. My understanding is that there were possible problems throughout the weekend, and either way, whether Hamilton knew Rosberg had a problem or not, sitting in that hot air for too long compounds risk. Certainly, it may have been worth it to try, but compounding risk can easily lead to you falling out of favour with the race gods. Once it was certain there was car failure it seems to me that Hamilton stayed in that hot air position too much (Hamilton himself says this could have cooked the brakes, being stuck behind Rosberg).

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Hammer, it is possible I'm speculating based on memory (will likely watch the race again tonight or tomorrow). It seems to me that Hamilton was catching up a little too quickly for it to be simply driver error on Rosberg's part or a hot streak on Hamilton's part. I know Hamilton does have those streaks but I don't think it's as big as half a second or more per lap. This suggests to me that there were ongoing problems, that the power may have been going in and out rather than all at once. I don't know, I could be wrong.

And again, I'm not for either driver. I just want to see good racing to the end. But I do tend to stick up for a driver if I think they're getting short-staffed. I think that's what's happened here and why I'm sticking up for Rosberg. Hamilton does seem to have a slight advantage, but it is better than the 'Rosberg is a cheater and empty car' comments would suggest.

[racechick]

I'm not sure who you're getting at with the comments about people who say Rosberg is an empty suit and a cheater, but paranoic me thinks you might mean me, so I'll step up. I don't think Risberg is an empty suit, I think he's an excellent driver who is pushing Hamilton hard and making both of them dig deaper. In my opinion he isn't as fast as Lewis and makes errors trying to keep up, errors that impact detrimentally on Lewis and to the advantage of Rosberg ( locking up into the first corner-Canada, Cutting the chicane- Canada. Going up the little escape street and then backing out- Monaco quali) these things have massively compromised Hamilton through no fault of his own. I don't think k Rosberg is cheating, and don't believe I've accused him of such, though I may have in the heat of outrage. Certainly the Monaco move smelt bad. The chicane cutting smacked of desperation. I don't believe Rosberg is stealing data, data is openly being given to him, that's the Merc policy. Do I like it? No. Does it disadvantage Lewis? Yes. Do I understand why Merc do it? Yes. Do I want them to stop doing it and let Nico fend for himself? YES!
I don't hate Nico at all, Part of me is in admiration of his gutsiness, but I am extremely frustrated that his shortcomings are advantaging him at Lewis' expense.

[sagi58]

...The problem was noticed first on Nico's car, but it doesn't mean that Hamilton had an advantage and there's a difference between losing power and brake failure, they are related but clearly manageable...

So... there were different problems!!
And, what you said in response, to me...

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Was not nice!

((NOT that I was heartbroken, in the first place!! ))

[sagi58]

You can't say that! Nico is a cheater and has no merit whatsoever.

Come on. You really can't say the team was driving Nico's car, guys. He kept ahead for a long time without proper power and braking. Whatever you think of Hamilton you can't make Rosberg out to be a drone.

No? Watch! It's gonna to be a looong two weeks before Austria!!

[CookinFlat6]

The same issue or problem happened to BOTH cars. This issue/problem cut ERS power and stopped ERS rear braking on BOTH cars. BOTH cars had hot rear brakes. Lewis was sat still in the pits which cooked the brakes, Nico was driving in clean air which did not cook his brakes.

Its like 2 people can have the same illness (cause) yet one can develop complications (effect) and become hospitalised, whilst the other can recover (effect)

Maybe the new Nico fans can catch up by reading a book recommend on another thread. So that when defending Nico, comments are based on reality. It can be hard to see that pointing out Nicos mistakes or luck based on the facts is not the same as calling him an 'empty car' or whatever the imagined insult was.

Just a thought...

[Nin-Chin]

Seriously sitting in hot air isn't normally an issue unless it's a hot day. The reason the brakes failed was because of the MGU-K failing, not Lewis' driving. Nico could have easily had the same failure. They cooked in the pits since they don't get as much airflow when at slower speeds and stationary in the box.

If this hadn't have happened they would have both finished and Lewis would have been ahead most likely. His pace was superior and his pace was very good when in clear air, shown by him going purple in S1 once Nico pitted for the first time. I have an onboard of that lap too and it slidey too.

[Hammer278]

Hammer, it is possible I'm speculating based on memory (will likely watch the race again tonight or tomorrow). It seems to me that Hamilton was catching up a little too quickly for it to be simply driver error on Rosberg's part or a hot streak on Hamilton's part. I know Hamilton does have those streaks but I don't think it's as big as half a second or more per lap. This suggests to me that there were ongoing problems, that the power may have been going in and out rather than all at once. I don't know, I could be wrong.

And again, I'm not for either driver. I just want to see good racing to the end. But I do tend to stick up for a driver if I think they're getting short-staffed. I think that's what's happened here and why I'm sticking up for Rosberg. Hamilton does seem to have a slight advantage, but it is better than the 'Rosberg is a cheater and empty car' comments would suggest.

You mind being sure of something before arguing? I'm not trying to be nasty, but I feel I just wasted my time discussing this when you're not even sure of what you're trying to debate. Let me know what you think after re-watching.

Nico had no complaints about his car (only brake bias settings to keep up with Lewis) until Lewis radioed in with power issues and then Nico started complaining after at least a full lap. And I'm sure of this.

[What's Burning?]

...The problem was noticed first on Nico's car, but it doesn't mean that Hamilton had an advantage and there's a difference between losing power and brake failure, they are related but clearly manageable...

So... there were different problems!!
And, what you said in response, to me...

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Was not nice!

((NOT that I was heartbroken, in the first place!! ))

No the problem is the MGU-K the degree of manifestation is clearly different. Yes you are still wrong in your original generalized comment which added only to being contrarian as usual.

[sagi58]

...Yes you are still wrong in your original generalized comment which added only to being contrarian as usual.

I stand corrected... again...

"Contrarian?" Moi? I guess somethings just bring that out in me!!

[Nin-Chin]

It's just luck is most matters.

As Toto says here.

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12472/9343200/toto-wolff-reckons-nico-rosberg-was-lucky-not-to-join-lewis-hamilton-in-retirement

[sagi58]

It's just luck is most matters.

As Toto says here.

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12472/9343200/toto-wolff-reckons-nico-rosberg-was-lucky-not-to-join-lewis-hamilton-in-retirement

I truly respect Wolff's analysis:

“It was a problem we didn’t see coming – or did see coming too late – and mixed fortunes. I’m very sad for Lewis, having lost all the valuable points. Equally, Nico drove a sensational race with a really handicapped car to finish second. So ups and downs.”