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[LewEngBridewell]

Just putting a qustion out there. Who likes DRS?

It's better than a procession.

[spankyham]

Just putting a qustion out there. Who likes DRS?

It's better than a procession.

I'd rather watch watch 10 laps of intense close battling for position (with no overtake) than watch a current model 911 overtake an 80's Corolla on a straight highway. Just saying not all overtaking is equal and not all processions are boring. What I like is the battle for the position - if the guy ahead prevails that can be extremely exciting, if the guy behinds wins that can be awesome - but what we want to see is the battle.

[racechick]

Just putting a qustion out there. Who likes DRS?

It's better than a procession.

I'd rather watch watch 10 laps of intense close battling for position (with no overtake) than watch a current model 911 overtake an 80's Corolla on a straight highway. Just saying not all overtaking is equal and not all processions are boring. What I like is the battle for the position - if the guy ahead prevails that can be extremely exciting, if the guy behinds wins that can be awesome - but what we want to see is the battle.

agree! I hate the false manipulated spectacle and the tyre saving and the petrol saving . I want them out there wringing the cars neck for all they're worth, sadly we seem to see that less and less. I'm hoping the turbos bring it back a bit, but still there are useless tyres
But, I still can't wait!!

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[CookinFlat6]

Seems like Renault are having problems with powerunit and turbo, and have asked for a delay to the Jerez test

Ferrari and Merc saying no and asking for even more gap between first and second tests to 'analyse data'

Seems that Renaults lower budget for the 2014 engine is biting back. RBR to watch the Jerez test without an engine?

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/33453/f1-i-motori-renault-in-ritardo-per-i-test-di-jerez

[sagi58]

...Seems that Renaults lower budget for the 2014 engine is biting back. RBR to watch the Jerez test without an engine?

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/33453/f1-i-motori-renault-in-ritardo-per-i-test-di-jerez

Just read the article and no where does it mention money. So, I'm going to assume that's your own take on it?

PROBLEMA AL TURBO DI RENAULT?

Ovviamente su un argomento così delicato non si esprime nessuno: le bocche sono tutte cucite. Rob White, responsabile di Renault Sport F1, minimizza. C’è chi sostiene, infatti, che i guai non riguardino il motore termico francese (sarebbero state risolte brillantemente le iniziali noie all’albero motore), ma il turbocompressore marchiato BorgWarner. Il sistema di sovralimentazione sarebbe fornito alla multinazionale americana dalla Pankl APC Turbosystems GmbH, la società tedesca con sede a Mannhein che un tempo era nota nel mondo delle corse per la sigla KKK (Kühnle, Kopp & Kausch AG).

Translation:
Problems with Renault's Turbo Engine?

Of course on such a delicate subject, no one is talking: mouths are sewn shut. Rob White, Head of Renault Sport F1, minimizes. There are those who claim that the troubles are not with the French engine (apparently the initial trouble with the crankshaft was resolved brilliantly), but the turbocharger made by BorgWarner. The supercharging system is provided to the American multinational by APC Turbo Pankl Turbosystems GmbH, the German company based in Mannhein which once was known in the racing world by the initials KKK (Kühnle, Kopp & Kausch AG).

n.b. financies not mentioned/referred to!

[CookinFlat6]

We dont need to have things spelled out by the press to make inferences Sagi58

Mercedes own all the firms that make the components, its all 'inhouse' all designed in tandem. To a slightly lesser degree so does Ferrari

Renault dont, they have to integrate third party components a lot more

This is ultimately down to how much money is invested in this project (more money, less outsourcing)

Tell us, do you think (without reading it in the news) the fact that Renault have less invested in this project than Ferrari or Merc has any bearing on these integration issues?

[sagi58]

...Tell us, do you think (without reading it in the news) the fact that Renault have less invested in this project than Ferrari or Merc has any bearing on these integration issues?

I don't have those facts/figures at my disposal, so I'm going to have to assume that in making that comment, you do?

[CookinFlat6]

...Tell us, do you think (without reading it in the news) the fact that Renault have less invested in this project than Ferrari or Merc has any bearing on these integration issues?

I don't have those facts/figures at my disposal, so I'm going to have to assume that in making that comment, you do?

Everything is in the public domain for those looking to understand what's going on without relying on being told

I will give you a couple of links then hopefully you will answer the question

Red Bull boss Christian Horner believes Renault will deliver a competitive Formula 1 engine next year, despite not having the highest budget among suppliers.

http://www.formula1blog.com/formula-1/horner-renaults-anemic-engine-budget-no-concern/
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/sports/autoracing/in-formula-one-deep-pockets-dont-guarantee-victory.html

[darwin dali]

Mannheim, cara, Mannheim

[sagi58]

...Tell us, do you think (without reading it in the news) the fact that Renault have less invested in this project than Ferrari or Merc has any bearing on these integration issues?

I don't have those facts/figures at my disposal, so I'm going to have to assume that in making that comment, you do?

Everything is in the public domain for those looking to understand what's going on without relying on being told

I will give you a couple of links then hopefully you will answer the question

Red Bull boss Christian Horner believes Renault will deliver a competitive Formula 1 engine next year, despite not having the highest budget among suppliers.

http://www.formula1blog.com/formula-1/horner-renaults-anemic-engine-budget-no-concern/
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/sports/autoracing/in-formula-one-deep-pockets-dont-guarantee-victory.html

Strange... That first link suggests that Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault can swallow the cost of R & D...
Further down, Horner says he's not concerned that Renault have less money for R & D as they are "prudent in how they spend it"!
Mind you, the author ""infers"" that Renault is "under budgetary restraints".

The second one is basically showing the disparity between money and winning.

Thanks for those!!

The second one

[sagi58]

Mannheim, cara, Mannheim

Ho sbagliato di nuovo?

[darwin dali]

Mannheim, cara, Mannheim

Ho sbagliato di nuovo?

Yes and no: the original already had the error in it...

[spankyham]

...Tell us, do you think (without reading it in the news) the fact that Renault have less invested in this project than Ferrari or Merc has any bearing on these integration issues?

I don't have those facts/figures at my disposal, so I'm going to have to assume that in making that comment, you do?

Everything is in the public domain for those looking to understand what's going on without relying on being told

I will give you a couple of links then hopefully you will answer the question

Red Bull boss Christian Horner believes Renault will deliver a competitive Formula 1 engine next year, despite not having the highest budget among suppliers.

http://www.formula1blog.com/formula-1/horner-renaults-anemic-engine-budget-no-concern/
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/sports/autoracing/in-formula-one-deep-pockets-dont-guarantee-victory.html

Strange... That first link suggests that Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault can swallow the cost of R & D...
Further down, Horner says he's not concerned that Renault have less money for R & D as they are "prudent in how they spend it"!
Mind you, the author ""infers"" that Renault is "under budgetary restraints".

The second one is basically showing the disparity between money and winning.

Thanks for those!!

The second one

Whilst we can speculate, I really don't think we can "know" anything much. At various times I read stories about Ferrari, Renault and Merc all having problems with their engine developments.

As to budgets I also don't think that is the be-all and end-all of the competition (most of you know I hate caps and restrictions). My understanding is the Merc has a team of over 400 working on their 2014 F1 engine. For Ferrari I've read its about 100, I don't know about Renault. But I'm sure they will all produce a decent F1 engine within the rules and I'm also sure no-one can know, at this point in time, which will end up being the winner

[Jabberwocky]

Not all 400 can be engineers surely

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[spankyham]

Not all 400 can be engineers surely

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At lease a few firestarters