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[bud]

I think that many will copy this little bump-wing during the season...

McLaren won't be I don't think many teams will, again this Redbull version probably creates a bit of downforce but the flow to the cars floor is more important than this piece alone.

What if McLaren's much slower than the rest of teams with that bump?

different concepts of getting flow to the floor and diffuser. McLaren are running what they have the last few seasons and it worked for them. These new regs teams that had high noses last year have had to lower them but they have lowered them to the exact limit allowed thus you see the bump. McLaren already had a nose lower than the new regs allowed so they haven't changed anything, they would have had to raise their nose but that goes against the evolution of their car. I think fans are concentrating too much on these noses and not looking at the bigger picture.

[What's Burning?]

I think that many will copy this little bump-wing during the season...

McLaren won't be I don't think many teams will, again this Redbull version probably creates a bit of downforce but the flow to the cars floor is more important than this piece alone.

What if McLaren's much slower than the rest of teams with that bump?

different concepts of getting flow to the floor and diffuser. McLaren are running what they have the last few seasons and it worked for them. These new regs teams that had high noses last year have had to lower them but they have lowered them to the exact limit allowed thus you see the bump. McLaren already had a nose lower than the new regs allowed so they haven't changed anything, they would have had to raise their nose but that goes against the evolution of their car. I think fans are concentrating too much on these noses and not looking at the bigger picture.

It takes balls to stand alone.

[scotty]

Trying to figure out what all that is about on the Red Bull... and what this bit on the Sauber is about:

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I thought gaps like that in noses got banned after Ferrari's F2008.

Toro Rosso also running the nose bumps:



Their car isn't properly launched til around 4:30GMT though i think.

[vaptin]

I think the key will be tyres this year, not aerodynamics. Providing the Redbull isn't so far ahead of the rest of the grid again; strategy and driver skill might take over.

aero of course affects the how the car runs the tyres.

Aye, but it'll be more variable according to temperatures, track conditions, possibly favouring one team one race and another the next. Of course that's mostly pre-season wishful thinking.

The key competitive aspects seem to usually vary quite alot from what was expected pre-season.

[bud]

Everything designed on the car, aero, mechanics everything is designed to work the tyre. That is the part that touches the ground after all. without the wheel/tyre, an F1 car is nothing more than a nicely shaped object.

here is a Q&A with Adrian Newey... on the RB8.

http://pitpass.com/45546-QA-with-Adrian-Newey

The restriction nose height which is a maximum height just in front of the front bulkhead hasn't really changed the chassis shape very much. We've kept more or less the same chassis shape, but had to drop the nose just in front of the front bulkhead, which, in common with many other teams, has led us to I think I'd probably say a slightly ugly looking nose. We've tried to style it as best we can, but it's not a feature you would choose to put in were it not for the regulation.

[stonemonkey]

Mark Hughes says the bump will make the car use its front wing and underneath more efficiently giving more downforce (but not a huge gain) but the more the front wing is worked, the more oversensitive it will become making it less raceable. Hughes was using this as an example of going in the wrong direction in terms of racing spectacle.
What Im now thinking is could the McLaren have a slightly less aero efficient but more raceable car?

Possibly, the bump itself isn't there for a function but is a compromise and I think may be slightly detrimental to the aero but a compromise they're willing to make for the sake of the airflow underneath although who knows what Newey's done with it!, Ferrari also have the added new territory of their front suspension setup. Mclaren have gone with what they already know without too much change with regards to the nose to comply with the new regs.

Going to be interesting to see if they've all got their merits or if someone's got it very right or very wrong.

[racechick]

It sounds from these two articles that mcLaren do have something up their sleeve.....just not sure what

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/74826 ... -concerns-


http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/74914 ... tic-MP4-27

[LRW]

It sounds from these two articles that mcLaren do have something up their sleeve.....just not sure what

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/74826 ... -concerns-


http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/74914 ... tic-MP4-27

I love the way people are assuming the worst and doubting the legality of the McLaren, just because they are hiding it!! Typical F1 teams trying to get another's innovations banned before its even been seen properly!!

[bud]

and what this bit on the Sauber is about:



I thought gaps like that in noses got banned after Ferrari's

Apparently it's a hole from the underside of the nose through to the other like Ferrari had in 08 that's banned, seeing as this gap is only one side then it's not the same rule.

But then Scarbs tweeted this.

Nose cone reg: 3.7.8 Only a single section, which must be open.... a single inlet for driver cooling will be exempt from the above.

So dunno if they will be able to run it.

[scotty]

They must have some reason to claim it's legality, probably as you mentioned the driver cooling (regardless of whether it really cools the drivers or not ). I expect RB have the same reasoning.

STR:

[Big Azza]

I reckon Adrian Newey has done it again!!!

I was expecting Red Bull to do something innovative with the nose! But this does seem odd. My first question is - won't the driver's legs get in the way of the air-flow? Something must be happening inside the car. Eek! Look at the floor! Something really different. (I'm going off the pictures on the F1 website, can't watch videos at work) I think other teams will find this very difficult to emulate. But it's quite clear that air is being directed into that little scoop in the floor and out the diffuser. That is incredible!

The Sauber is hideous! And also the Toro Rosso...

I'm now very concerned for Mclaren...

[LewEngBridewell]

I reckon Adrian Newey has done it again!!! ...

...I'm now very concerned for Mclaren...

All based on the cars' appearance? It's no good making any assumptions with regards to form until we get some testing miles done!

[spankyham]

RB8 as presented is pretty standard. The driver cooling stuff on the front will be well dissected by all the teams but it's not going to be doing much. Only bit that tweaked by interested was the boxy rear brake fins, looks like the exhaust is aimed at them, are they some sort of mini diffusers? Doubt it and hard to see cause of the dark. Remains to be seen what they haven't shown at the launch

[spankyham]

Anyone care to place a bet as to how long before Macca fan paranoia hits this forum?

Can one of the mods add this bit of code to our front page to save lots and lots of posts....

*/ Begin Function Winter-Testing-Panic-set-in
IF my team/driver is slower than other team/driver
THEN other team/driver has light fuel
OR is doing glory-run
AND go to endless reams of comparisons and charts extracting meaningless minutia of data that makes things look rosy for me but ends up being completely wrong anyway
ENDIF

IF my team/driver = not doing as many laps as others
THEN we have completed our work schedule
AND we are analyzing all the data we have successfully collected

[andrew]

Anyone care to place a bet as to how long before Macca fan paranoia hits this forum?

It's already started.