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By sagi58
#385418
Ps Roscoe and Coco don't travel first class, they travel in their own private plane with their 'daddy' :wink:


That makes it better? After all, Hamilton isn't spending money on a first class ticket ride for them,
he just takes them along on this private jet. Such a practical choice, eh??


Just couldn't help yanking the chain :wink: Lewis private life is not my real interest, his driving is. But the dogs are lovely so I post the pics. :shrug:

Not to worry, it just sounded "funny", when I first read it!!
At the end of the day, he's probably not doing anything any
of us wouldn't do, in his shoes!! :wink:

(( well, except for pine for a certain person, who shall remain nameless...))
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By racechick
#385428
Ps Roscoe and Coco don't travel first class, they travel in their own private plane with their 'daddy' :wink:


That makes it better? After all, Hamilton isn't spending money on a first class ticket ride for them,
he just takes them along on this private jet. Such a practical choice, eh??


Just couldn't help yanking the chain :wink: Lewis private life is not my real interest, his driving is. But the dogs are lovely so I post the pics. :shrug:

Not to worry, it just sounded "funny", when I first read it!!
At the end of the day, he's probably not doing anything any
of us wouldn't do, in his shoes!! :wink:

(( well, except for pine for a certain person, who shall remain nameless...))

Lewis' business, but I kindov share your sentiments on that last point Sagi.
By CookinFlat6
#385433
“Checo joins us after a sensational 2012 season and he’s immediately proved that he’s intelligent, modest, hard-working and, make no mistake, very, very quick,” he said. “Of course, there’ll be a learning curve to overcome as he gets used to our organisation, particularly during the hustle and bustle of the early-season race weekends, but he understands that we are placing no pressure on him.”

Whitmarsh added that the combination of Perez’s youth and Button’s experience was a good mix for a successful season.

“I believe we’re extremely well prepared for another competitive season,” he said. “Jenson is driving better than ever – he’s the most experienced driver in Formula One, but he makes every ounce of that experience count. He’s peerless in his ability to read a race and one of the very fastest drivers out there. He’s a consummate professional, too, and will revel in working hard to drive this team through the year.

“For 2013, we go racing to win,” he added. “With Jenson and Checo, and this fantastic-looking new car, I believe we’re extremely well prepared for another competitive season.



Whitmarsh said the pairing of Button and Magnussen was one that would allow McLaren to shine after a difficult 2013.

“We're delighted that Kevin will be joining Jenson as a McLaren Formula 1 race driver for 2014,” he said. “Their confirmation is an important step for us as we continue to strengthen our organisation ahead of the 2014 season.

“Next year, we'll witness the biggest raft of technical changes to Formula 1 in many years, and every team and manufacturer will be pushed to the limit as they try their best to adapt to those new challenges.

“Jenson's race-winning speed, intelligence and racecraft have long been a crucial advantage to McLaren, but it's his skill as a development driver and his peerless technical feedback that will be equally valuable as we make the transition into a new and complex technical formula during the winter and new year.

“Kevin, too, is clearly very talented and very determined, and we therefore have high hopes for him. Moreover, every time he's tested our Formula 1 car, he's been very quick and very methodical, and his feedback has been first-class.
By What's Burning?
#385454
Maybe he means peerless, in that he keeps losing his peer at the end of season?
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By sagi58
#385455
Maybe he means peerless, in that he keeps losing his peer at the end of season?

Brilliant!! :D
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By Jabberwocky
#385460
He says his technical feed back is peerless, not that he is a peerless development driver

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By sagi58
#385461
He says his technical feed back is peerless, not that he is a peerless development driver

:clap:
Exact quote:
... [Button's] peerless in his ability to read a race and one of the very fastest drivers out there. He’s a consummate professional, too, and will revel in working hard to drive this team through the year...

In re-reading his comment, Whitmarsh was very explicit in his evaluation of Button.
However, it does look like his prediction of Button leading the team didn't pan out!
Mind you, he doesn't claim Button is the best "all-around" driver/leader or anything, eh?
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By racechick
#385464
"one of the very fastest drivers out there"? NOT!
By CookinFlat6
#385466
He says his technical feed back is peerless, not that he is a peerless development driver

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Drivers don't develop cars per se, engineers do that, all a driver does is provide technical feedback and drive the car as fast it will go every single time.

Technical feedback is most important in practice sessions when the ad has to be setup for a particular track. It is also important in the simulator or track testing sessions.

When a driver gives feedback in free practice or in the sim that ends up discarded because it doesn't correlate to quali or to driving the car in anger then the feedback is useless

The clue is when a guy says the car felt good in the sim/practice but then come the hard driving 'don't understand what happened, something strange, it's all different now, I can't find grip or balance out of my own setup requests'

This guy cannot be peerless she his teammate for one is not a known flounderer
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By Jabberwocky
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The clue is when a guy says the car felt good in the sim/practice but then come the hard driving 'don't understand what happened, something strange, it's all different now, I can't find grip or balance out of my own setup requests'


So if you went into McDonald's and ordered a big mac with no cheese and it turns up with extra it is your fault?

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By CookinFlat6
#385469

The clue is when a guy says the car felt good in the sim/practice but then come the hard driving 'don't understand what happened, something strange, it's all different now, I can't find grip or balance out of my own setup requests'


So if you went into McDonald's and ordered a big mac with no cheese and it turns up with extra it is your fault?

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If I went into Donald ducks and asked for my big mac to be made more spicy by adding cheese then it would be my lack of proper feedback

I see where you are coming from though, so all the engineers at BAR, Honda, McLaren are all guys who get an order for no cheese and always make the mistake of adding extra for one guy, but get it right for all other customers :yikes:
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By sagi58
#385472
...The clue is when a guy says the car felt good in the sim/practice but then come the hard driving 'don't understand what happened, something strange, it's all different now, I can't find grip or balance out of my own setup requests'...

To be fair, ""playing a video game"" is not the same as driving an F1 car, now is it? :twisted:
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By sagi58
#385473
... If I went into Donald ducks and asked for my big mac to be made more spicy by adding cheese then it would be my lack of proper feedback

I see where you are coming from though, so all the engineers at BAR, Honda, McLaren are all guys who get an order for no cheese and always make the mistake of adding extra for one guy, but get it right for all other customers :yikes:

Maybe the cheese was off that day because it was past its "best before date"! :P
Maybe the other customers are lactose and don't know the difference because they haven't had a Big Mac with cheese!! :P

Basically, what I'm saying is that the car's setup is all about preference and without actual ON TRACK TESTING where the
variables are minimized, there really is no way to know how the car will TRULY/ACTUALLY handle when racing.
By CookinFlat6
#385477
This might be the time to inject some technical facts into the debate.
Paddy Lowe was the engineering brain at McLaren. He said this about Lewis before his debut season

"He's tremendously good at controlling a car in oversteer. We saw that from the first moment he got in our car. We saw the data, and on every entry we could see there was a massive correction on the steering, and our normal drivers would have been bitching like hell that the car was undriveable, yet he didn't even pass comment. So with a driver like that, you're better equipped to push the boundaries to new levels. Speaking generically of that characteristic, a lot of the performance limit of a car is set by stability; if you can't hang on to it, you will have to introduce understeer in that zone. But if you have a driver better able to deal with oversteer in those zones that induce it, then you will have a less-understeery car elsewhere and therefore more total grip over the lap. The great drivers over the years - Senna, Schumacher, Mansell - have all had that ability. Like for like compared to other drivers, they want more front end."


So here is the engineer saying it is easier to develop and push to new limits with a driver comfortable with instability, and who doesnt bitch that the car is undriveable for driving miss Daisy

Rear-end instability on corner entry is reportedly the handling characteristic which Jenson Button struggles most to deal with, but as his Brawn team-mate, Rubens Barrichello, demonstrated this year, it is a characteristic which different drivers can cope with to different degrees. Perhaps, then, the type of instability exhibited at times by the Brawn in the second half of the 2009 season, was merely the dynamic instability of a statically stable car.


And here the same article mentions Jenson (still at Brawn)
http://mccabism.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/lewis-hamilton-and-instability.html

So fast forward a few years, and McLaren are trying to build a car around Button and have sidelined Lewis. And all of a sudden every weekend Jenson is clueless between free practice when the team listen to his wishes, and quali or the race when he has to drive the same car fast -'I dont know where the grip went, the balance wasnt there, i just dont get it, It felt ok earlier when there was no pressure, but in Q3 i couldnt find grip, I have to go back and look at the data, somethings very strange going on, I just dont get it, my leg warmers were not tight enough etc etc'

So 1 guy needs everything perfect one guy doesnt, thjere is no unlimited testing anymore only a few practice sessions before each race. In betrween the races the engineers have tyo go by the technical feedback from the drivers 'I think more understeer would help us go much faster', 'oops that didnt work, I dont get it, the car was understeering too much'

So Paddy Lowe has to listen to Buttons feedback and ignore Lewis' because Whitmarsh has 'hots' affecting his decision making

And the result?

"We had a detailed technical review yesterday and you cannot help coming out of this thinking we have a competitive car.


“When you have a good possibility to fight for the world championship it’s exciting, It may look like last year’s car, but under the skin it’s completely different,” said Button, who won the last race of 2012 in Brazil. “That’s why it’s so exciting. They’ve changed enough to make a difference. You go into the season aiming to win the world championship and thats’s what we are doing.

“We had some good races and some pretty damn bad races last year. I think the 2013 tyres will work better for my style of driving and for the way this car works.

“I’m the more experienced driver in the team. We have 12 days of testing and I do six and Checo (Perez) does six. We have to learn the car together. The feelings I got from last year and the development direction the car went in are good for my style.


"Qualifying at times last year was not good at all. I still go back to it being the issue that I have had in my career in terms of getting my tyres working and in the working range," he said.

"I don't know why that is - I must drive differently to everyone else on the grid. We have [b]learned a lot from last season and we have made steps forward[/b].


"The feelings I got last year and the development curve and direction we went in last year is good for my style," he said.

"I had some issues through the season and the great thing with McLaren is they listen to what drivers say.


I feel the direction the car has gone in is good for my style. McLaren really listen and I would like to think I have had some involvement in the direction of the car.’



And the bottom line cost of putting lipstick on a :duckie: and calling it princess daisy?

Paddy to Mercedes and Mclaren to fight Force India and Torro Rosso

And Button is still considered PEERLESS at McLaren and is leading development in 2014
It's not like now with so much downforce and so little torque that you can just floor it and even if you run a bit wide you just understeer off the circuit. But with the 2014 car if you floor it in a corner like Turn 3 at Barcelona, you don't just drive off, you immediately lose the rear because there is so much torque. It's not a balance issue, you have torque and we've never had that before.

"I don't think it will be more exciting to drive. We are going to be fighting for grip the whole time, so I don't think that will make it more exciting."


It's just a very different feeling with the engine because the revs are so low and you are using very different gears to what we are using now. One of the most important things is to get the sound queuing correct, because if you don't you get completely lost."
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By CookinFlat6
#385478
And for those of you who have heard the above before etc etc, dont bitch or moan, just stay out of it and move on to the next post. the above is for Sagi58 and any other F1 followers who are not aware of it, because ofcourse the press shy away from doing their job when it comes to Mclaren

So before you start bitching, zip it already :thumbup:
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