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[hypertek]

I just can't understand how one CANNOT like Lewis Hamilton. Everyone talking about how bad the conditions are and then one driver is clueless about why the race has not started yet, no problems with conditions nor with the light. I don't care that once the race started he lost a position and wasn't faster than anyone else, his philosophy and competitiveness is what charms me. Prolly the day he leaves F1 will be the day when I will lose my passion for Formula 1.

Yeah he has to be one of the most competitive drivers right now. He has that fighting spirit burning in him.

[What's Burning?]

Lewis wasn't as confident as he suggested. Ironically he was quickly overtaken by Rosberg

Did you miss the part when Rosberg, soon after overtaking Hamilton, unable to avoid Webber RAMMED into the side of him?!?! Lewis owes him a pint.

[FRAFPDD]

Lewis wasn't as confident as he suggested. Ironically he was quickly overtaken by Rosberg

Did you miss the part when Rosberg, soon after overtaking Hamilton, unable to avoid Webber RAMMED into the side of him?!?! Lewis owes him a pint.

dont know why you even bothered replying

[ivey]

Although I was worried something might happen to Alonso next and didn't want Hamilton to win. I was also thinking that Hamilton might of began pressuring Alonso, although it thankfully turned out that Alonso pulled away from Hamilton

He didn't pull away from him, Lewis let him go. Hammy's tyres were shot to pieces and he just wanted to nurse the car home in 2nd position.

Due to Lewis' tyre being shot and he slowed down, Alonso pulled away! No inaccuracies there...

Mad max said Alonso didn't pull away. . . its one thing to say Lewis let him go so Alonso pulled away but pull away he did. I think that was what AKR was referring to, that Alonso wasn't under pressure than Lewis.

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That Alonso laugh should be my new ringtone.

It was just EPIC. Such an evil laugh

[Big Azza]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

My World Championship! It's going! It's rapidly fading away!

[Fact Man]

I find it funny how some people talk about luck when it's not their driver. But when it's their driver, suddenly it's skills.
Luck is part of the game. So when looking at the whole picture, we need to leave luck out of the equation.
So was it luck that Alonso was close to RBRs and he took advantage of their misfortune?
Was Hamilton lucky to pass Alonso because the latter had wheel nut problems?
The answer is no. It's skills what kept Alonso close to the RBRs and Hamilton to the Ferrari and what allowed Rosberg to pass Hamilton in these conditions
Whether a driver starts from p24 or pole, it's not luck if they win it because luck is part of the game, it's factored in. It's skills what get that driver to win.

[madbrad]

I said Fernando benefitted from some luck today but I'm not one of those against him. I kind of said tey all do sometimes and then someone poined out he also sufferd from bad luck on other days, as do all of them, which is also true. I talk about luck because it's a true thing that it played a part. I don't favour any driver and I don't shout the talent of any driver from the mountaintops.

[Big Azza]

I find it funny how some people talk about luck when it's not their driver. But when it's their driver, suddenly it's skills.
Luck is part of the game. So when looking at the whole picture, we need to leave luck out of the equation.
So was it luck that Alonso was close to RBRs and he took advantage of their misfortune?
Was Hamilton lucky to pass Alonso because the latter had wheel nut problems?
The answer is no. It's skills what kept Alonso close to the RBRs and Hamilton to the Ferrari and what allowed Rosberg to pass Hamilton in these conditions
Whether a driver starts from p24 or pole, it's not luck if they win it because luck is part of the game, it's factored in. It's skills what get that driver to win.

I completely agree with this.

Alonso was very supreme at this race. I do not think he is lucky at all - he looked like he was going to pass Vettel regardless. In Bahrain - I feel he was lucky. But he was skillful to be in second position at the time it happened. That's what it is. The driver might get lucky, but there is still a lot of skill involved in being second, so you're in a position to take a victory, should the driver in front has a problem.

EXCEPT

When Kovaleinen won his only GP.

[VFRMark]

Vettel would have got a penalty at some point (or for the next race) as twice he fell behind the safety car by more then 10 lengths, from the 2nd safety car start I estimate he was about 40 car lengths behind before he started to race, by the time he crossed the pit lane entrance he was still well over 15 car lengths behind and he started racing 10 seconds earlier!

If the stewards missed it I am sure McLaren and Ferrari would have reminded them.

Quote from FIA REGS
"40.7 All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.
With the following exceptions, no car may overtake until it has passed the first safety car line for the first time when the safety car is returning to the pits. However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, Article 40.13 will apply."

My colour and bold, but this is what the rules state and remember this is what the FIA posted about Vettel when he fell more than 10 car lengths behind in Hungarian GP:
"On lap 29 of the Hungarian Grand Prix, race stewards awarded Red Bull Racing driver Sebastian Vettel a drive through penalty for "Exceeding 10 car lengths behind Safety Car". "

So I am at a loss how the stewards missed this in Korea! What would have been the situation if it was missed until after the race (Assuming his engine lasted!)

Check the FIA website for the rules - I pasted them direct from there!

PS: I do not like Alonso and view him as a gifted driver but a cheat who cheated in every team he has been in - but today he drove very well....

VFRMark

[texasmr2]

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For the Scuderia Ferrari!!!

[Big Azza]

Vettel would have got a penalty at some point (or for the next race) as twice he fell behind the safety car by more then 10 lengths, from the 2nd safety car start I estimate he was about 40 car lengths behind before he started to race, by the time he crossed the pit lane entrance he was still well over 15 car lengths behind and he started racing 10 seconds earlier!

If the stewards missed it I am sure McLaren and Ferrari would have reminded them.

Quote from FIA REGS
"40.7 All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.
With the following exceptions, no car may overtake until it has passed the first safety car line for the first time when the safety car is returning to the pits. However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, Article 40.13 will apply."

My colour and bold, but this is what the rules state and remember this is what the FIA posted about Vettel when he fell more than 10 car lengths behind in Hungarian GP:
"On lap 29 of the Hungarian Grand Prix, race stewards awarded Red Bull Racing driver Sebastian Vettel a drive through penalty for "Exceeding 10 car lengths behind Safety Car". "

So I am at a loss how the stewards missed this in Korea! What would have been the situation if it was missed until after the race (Assuming his engine lasted!)

Check the FIA website for the rules - I pasted them direct from there!

PS: I do not like Alonso and view him as a gifted driver but a cheat who cheated in every team he has been in - but today he drove very well....

VFRMark

I frankly remember Alonso being a lot further behind Vettel behind the safety. He should be disqualified!

[texasmr2]

I frankly remember Alonso being a lot further behind Vettel behind the safety. He should be disqualified!

Good that the only thing that matters is the leader and his position/distance behind the SC right .

All these are making me wonder if the A/C is on in here , I'm getting flushed !!

[scotty]

Other people in the pack fell more than 10 car lengths back at times too. I think they'll use common sense and no one will be penalised...

[Big Azza]

I don't actually remember Vettel dropping 10 lengths back. But Alonso did it blatantly. However, I accept Alonso's victory. Knowing how treacherous the conditions were, I think it was safer for all the drivers to just give each other room.


Ah - what the heck:

Filthy Alonso! What a conspiracy! I can't believe it! Ferrari International Assistance. Hamilton should be declared winner! f***ing stewards! F***ing Todt! What a blatant disregard for the rules....


No it's a good result for Alonso and I don't care, just as long as there is leniency for a Red Bull or a McLaren in similar conditions...

[VFRMark]

Vettel should have got a penalty for, lasr tine out he didand thius time should have got another.

His teams at fault as they should have kept track of him and warned him as he dropped back.

But backed he dropped and the rules are very clear!