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#403988
The other side of this is that Hamilton was driving too aggressive for the known problems. His pace was also likely ahead of Rosberg's because Rosberg's car began to fail earlier. This was a great drive from Rosberg, and right now they're quite even 'in the straights.'


No, no and no

Both cars dropped ERS on same lap, Lewis' brakes cooked because of the pit stop, Lewis passed Nico in the pits (i.e strategically and not aggresively on track) Nico leads because of 2 dnfs for Lewis, and they are quite even on the straights?
#403989
They were both driving aggressively until they hit the problem. Rosberg so much so that he was under investigation for cutting the chicane. They only calmed down when Hamilton was out, a) because his main competitor was gone, b) because the team having seen what happened to Lewis, knew the problem and instructed him on how to manage it. I wouldn't call that 'great' he made several errors yesterday.
#403991
I've seen many comments out there about how consistent Nico is finishing every race at least 2nd, and its this consistency which will give him the Championship. Lewis is too reckless and not managing his car well so he's not as good as Nico.

I mean, I'm just lost for words really.
#403992
The other side of this is that Hamilton was driving too aggressive for the known problems. His pace was also likely ahead of Rosberg's because Rosberg's car began to fail earlier. This was a great drive from Rosberg, and right now they're quite even 'in the straights.'


No, no and no

Both cars dropped ERS on same lap, Lewis' brakes cooked because of the pit stop, Lewis passed Nico in the pits (i.e strategically and not aggresively on track) Nico leads because of 2 dnfs for Lewis, and they are quite even on the straights?

Actually if you read the details, the problem appeared on Nico's car first!
#403997
You can't say that! Nico is a cheater and has no merit whatsoever.

Come on. You really can't say the team was driving Nico's car, guys. He kept ahead for a long time without proper power and braking. Whatever you think of Hamilton you can't make Rosberg out to be a drone.
#404000
The other side of this is that Hamilton was driving too aggressive for the known problems. His pace was also likely ahead of Rosberg's because Rosberg's car began to fail earlier. This was a great drive from Rosberg, and right now they're quite even 'in the straights.'


No, no and no

Both cars dropped ERS on same lap, Lewis' brakes cooked because of the pit stop, Lewis passed Nico in the pits (i.e strategically and not aggresively on track) Nico leads because of 2 dnfs for Lewis, and they are quite even on the straights?

Actually if you read the details, the problem appeared on Nico's car first!


That doesnt mean 'Nico lost ERS and 160 bhp before Lewis and therefore Lewis pace was ahead only because of this'
#404004
Nonetheless Rosberg lost power first and Hamilton cooked his brakes sitting in hot air. If Rosberg made mistakes then Hamilton made even bigger ones. Why the need to take away from Rosberg's performance? Hamilton couldn't pass a slower car and burnt his car in the process.
#404005
Nonetheless Rosberg lost power first and Hamilton cooked his brakes sitting in hot air. If Rosberg made mistakes then Hamilton made even bigger ones. Why the need to take away from Rosberg's performance? Hamilton couldn't pass a slower car and burnt his car in the process.


False...Hamilton lost power first since he was right behind him and then the gap was suddenly 2 seconds.

How did Hamilton make bigger ones by simply being behind another car? He could've passed the slower car much earlier on if the slower car didn't conveniently cut the chicane and gas it to double the gap!! And btw he DID pass the slower car but his brakes were cooked on the same lap! Did you watch the entire race?
#404006
Nonetheless Rosberg lost power first and Hamilton cooked his brakes sitting in hot air. If Rosberg made mistakes then Hamilton made even bigger ones. Why the need to take away from Rosberg's performance? Hamilton couldn't pass a slower car and burnt his car in the process.

The problem was noticed first on Nico's car, but it doesn't mean that Hamilton had an advantage and there's a difference between losing power and brake failure, they are related but clearly manageable. On the contrary, Hamilton was better at handling the situation since he was running his car is dirty air and Nico couldn't hold his teammate back even though once again he clearly had an advantage.

Apparently Nico can't win a race that he doesn't screw up for his team mate or that his teammate doesn't finish. Don't get all hot under the collar trying to prove your point, Nice didn't win, Mercedes didn't win, and Hamilton didn't win, so not much to celebrate in the Mercedes camp yesterday.
#404007
I'm not the one all hot. All the Hamilton fans are trying to make it out as though Rosberg is a cheater and an empty racing suit, even though Rosberg is ahead in points, has won the last two poles, and clearly was winning this race and the last.
Not trying to take anything away from Hamilton, just pointing out you don't need to blame Rosberg to make Hamilton look better.

Rosberg got second in a broken car. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.
#404008
Nonetheless Rosberg lost power first and Hamilton cooked his brakes sitting in hot air. If Rosberg made mistakes then Hamilton made even bigger ones. Why the need to take away from Rosberg's performance? Hamilton couldn't pass a slower car and burnt his car in the process.


Lewis couldnt pass a slower car? within the track confines? , Lewis cooked his brakes because he decided to pit?

So Hamilton made mistakes by stopping in the pits and by trying to overtake after stalking Nico for half the race applying pressure? His biggest mistake of the race according to that logic was to actually race at all and maybe settle for 1 point by not driving fast.

Sometimes I am surprised but not often anymore by how big the difference is between how different people see what Lewis does
#404009
I'm not the one all hot. All the Hamilton fans are trying to make it out as though Rosberg is a cheater and an empty racing suit, even though Rosberg is ahead in points, has won the last two poles, and clearly was winning this race and the last.
Not trying to take anything away from Hamilton, just pointing out you don't need to blame Rosberg to make Hamilton look better.

Rosberg got second in a broken car. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.


More garbage. Sorry but ahead on POINTS? Maybe because his car didn't get cooked on the FORMATION lap in Melbourne? That's 25 points right there mate.

Won the last two poles, okay, do you remember how he "won" the Monaco pole?

How was he clearly winning Canada when Hamilton was right on his tail, and OVERTOOK him during the pits? Like I asked before, have you WATCHED the race?

Lewis has four WINS. Why not mention THAT.

Pure bias, again its easy to see in your post. I was a Rosberg fan until Monaco and now I'm not so sure anymore. I think he's definitely a very tough competitor but you're clearly trying to big up his little achievements and dumb down Hamiltons big ones....basically what you're accusing Hamilton fans of doing. Hypocrisy much?
#404010
I'm not the one all hot. All the Hamilton fans are trying to make it out as though Rosberg is a cheater and an empty racing suit, even though Rosberg is ahead in points, has won the last two poles, and clearly was winning this race and the last.
Not trying to take anything away from Hamilton, just pointing out you don't need to blame Rosberg to make Hamilton look better.

Rosberg got second in a broken car. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment.

Have you looked at my signature? Your claims on Rosberg "winning" are pretty absurd, he's been at the right place at the right time. Yesterday's drive was excellent from the point of making something out of what was potentially nothing, but I think in your rush to look for fault you're missing the point being made.
#404011
Interesting how many Nico 'fans' are suddenly coming out of the woodwork, even more in number now than after the first few races, when they vanished as Lewis won 4 in a row to catch up. Mind you we did say last year there was likely to be a few fans this year needing vaseline. That will have to wait for later in the season it seems.

And if Nico can keep scoring as Lewis dnfs its an interesting angle for the new Nico 'fans', that Nico is matching him on merit. Reminds me of the Button fans who are more than happy to cling on to the special 3 year championship that Button won

The more relied upon statistic of teamates performance is the one where both drivers finish the race. And in the races this year where both drivers have finished the 'not the championship table' decision goes to .....
And for the inevitable cry of 'the points are all that matter' - yes ONLY at the end of the season!!

too funny really
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#404012
Nonetheless Rosberg lost power first and Hamilton cooked his brakes sitting in hot air. If Rosberg made mistakes then Hamilton made even bigger ones. Why the need to take away from Rosberg's performance? Hamilton couldn't pass a slower car and burnt his car in the process.


Lewis couldnt pass a slower car? within the track confines? , Lewis cooked his brakes because he decided to pit?

So Hamilton made mistakes by stopping in the pits and by trying to overtake after stalking Nico for half the race applying pressure? His biggest mistake of the race according to that logic was to actually race at all and maybe settle for 1 point by not driving fast.

Sometimes I am surprised but not often anymore by how big the difference is between how different people see what Lewis does


The point was obvious. Lewis was sitting in the hot air too much. He cooked the brakes. And Rosberg failed first, yet it took too long before Hamilton could attempt a pass.

One point is better than none, especially if the season has potential to be close. You think an impressive loss in broken cars is more important?
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