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By CookinFlat6
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I am not saying swap them round just because Lewis is ahead, but Lewis has claimed the mantle of 'driver who harvests more points per race' therefore unless Nico has a reason to explain that fact then it makes sense that Merc have a driver 'more likely to get more points for rest of season' and a driver 'less likely to get more points'

you think anyone in the Merc team beleive Nico could outscore Lewis over the rest of the season? and my point is that given this, and given Nico 40 behind, its a no brainer

Before you point to Nicos bad luck or DNFs, hear this - Lewis dropped more points with his tyre puncture than Nico dropped in all 3 DNFs (if you look at the position Nico was in before DNFing)
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By zurich_allan
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I am not saying swap them round just because Lewis is ahead, but Lewis has claimed the mantle of 'driver who harvests more points per race' therefore unless Nico has a reason to explain that fact then it makes sense that Merc have a driver 'more likely to get more points for rest of season' and a driver 'less likely to get more points'

you think anyone in the Merc team beleive Nico could outscore Lewis over the rest of the season? and my point is that given this, and given Nico 40 behind, its a no brainer

Before you point to Nicos bad luck or DNFs, hear this - Lewis dropped more points with his tyre puncture than Nico dropped in all 3 DNFs (if you look at the position Nico was in before DNFing)


First of all, that's not quite true - Nico would have finished ahead of Lewis at the start of the season when Lewis was light(er than Nico) on fuel and had to save, so that would have been a points swing with Lewis dropping and Nico gaining.

Secondly, by using your own argument - Lewis has been capable of 'harvesting' more points' without team interference thus far, on his own merits, so what need is there to change this fact unless his own performance level drops and Nico is ahead of him on merit?

Sometimes drivers go through slight (or even large) peaks and troughs in performance levels as the season goes on - if Nico is in form and Lewis has a slump (I don't think that will happen, but hypothetically), then why would you want to take the wind out of the sails of the driver currently performing better?

Sorry, it doesn't make sense whichever way you look at it.
By CookinFlat6
#369305
That points swing would not change the general patern of Lewis have proven without doubt that he is the driver that brings more points from good and bad situations.

I am not saying its fair or that Nico shouldnt have a chance at a WDC, I am just saying guys like Brawn, with Mercedes' investment in personel and in Lewis know that there can be only 1 WDC a year. And that it doesnt matter an iota if one driver is 0.0001% better or not, the way to win WCC AND WDCs is to do what I said above.

Brawn has form for this and if we think not as sports fans but as business men who want to maximise, then there is only one option.

Also its not so much swapping places, as you are right, if Lewis is the better option for a WDC then this situation will not arise much, just saying if it does occasionally or for reasons outside relative performance, then expect to see it.

No, what is more contentious will be brawn setting out to use Nico as part of a team strategy where Lewis is expected to get more points
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By Jabberwocky
#369306
It is funny who the people that keep bringing Button into this thread. You guys need to move on, the drivers have so why no you lot?

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By What's Burning?
#369307
We have, we're trying to enjoy the renascence at Mercedes! That I personally didn't anticipate until 2014.
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By Jabberwocky
#369309
We have, we're trying to enjoy the renascence at Mercedes! That I personally didn't anticipate until 2014.

I bet schumacher is kicking himself at choosing his time to leave.

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By What's Burning?
#369310
We have, we're trying to enjoy the renascence at Mercedes! That I personally didn't anticipate until 2014.

I bet schumacher is kicking himself at choosing his time to leave.

Maybe not so much, Rosberg would still have been ahead of him.
By CookinFlat6
#369311
There are those who say MS was effectively kicked out when Lewis became available. There are also many who would point to comments made by brawn to the effect that MS was stiffling progress because he things were built around him and he was slower than Nico
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By geetface9
#369312
I'd like to see nico win spa or monza on merit alone so that there isn't any "he was handed the win" arguments from anybody. People seem to forget China 2012...he drove away all on his own merit and finished with time to spare for another pitstop unchallenged. "But it was the tires!" yeah yeah I know... :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Anyway, my two cents on the rest of the season is that we should see how nico does over the next two races, where (arguably) mercedes should have the absolute best chance of getting a pair of 1-2 since neither spa or monza are particularly challenging on the tires, before brawn or anybody decides to start strategizing with nico as a #2. However, I don't think either lewis or nico will be getting the WDC this year. Red bull is no slouch in the late part of the season and alonso and raikkonen are going to be taking lots of points for the rest of the season. I can't see merc getting the WDC this year or even the WCC this year. Webber will still be bringing in solid points all season like he always does, as will vettel. I just can't see brawn needing to start thinking about race strategies for #1 and #2 drivers unless it's for the sake of remaining #2 in the WCC.
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By Jabberwocky
#369313
I am not too sure, I think if he thought he had a championship car he would of turjed up the wick a bit. (Maybe that is just me wishing he was the driver he once was)

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By geetface9
#369314
We have, we're trying to enjoy the renascence at Mercedes! That I personally didn't anticipate until 2014.

I bet schumacher is kicking himself at choosing his time to leave.

Maybe not so much, Rosberg would still have been ahead of him.


agreed
By CookinFlat6
#369497
To win the WDC, Nico would have to win 9 races with Lewis second 8 times and Seb second once. For Lewis to lead the WDC race he has to win 4 times with Nico second plus once with Seb second.

No brainer for Ross if Lewis and Nico can lock out the front row for 5 races out of 9. Nico runs interference and both WDC and WCC are achievable
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By geetface9
#369517
It's achievable. However, if one is to think that vettel and red bull won't win another race for the rest of the year, one must admit to some level of insanity :hehe:
By Hammer278
#369518
It's achievable. However, if one is to think that vettel and red bull won't win another race for the rest of the year, one must admit to some level of insanity :hehe:


It is almost a certainty that Redbull would also have 1 DNF at least (the right one hopefully) in the rest of the year. :wink:
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By geetface9
#369519
It's achievable. However, if one is to think that vettel and red bull won't win another race for the rest of the year, one must admit to some level of insanity :hehe:


It is almost a certainty that Redbull would also have 1 DNF at least (the right one hopefully) in the rest of the year. :wink:


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