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By LewEngBridewell
#395491
Promising speed for Williams. Shame about the first corner for Massa & and the puncture for Bottas.

But they've already scored more points than they managed in 2013 :P
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By NHcheese
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Yeah. But they were expected to be second. Their general relative sped compared to others was shocking.
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By 1Lemon
#395588
Yeah. But they were expected to be second. Their general relative sped compared to others was shocking.


What???

The relative speed of Bottas climbing the field from 16th to 9th in under 10 laps, then he was last at the mid way point and then finished 6th(5th including cars)!!!! How is that slow, he was storming the rest of the field.
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By stonemonkey
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Promising speed for Williams. Shame about the first corner for Massa & and the puncture for Bottas.

But they've already scored more points than they managed in 2013 :P


Was it a puncture, I thought it looked like it was the wheel that failed.
By What's Burning?
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Promising speed for Williams. Shame about the first corner for Massa & and the puncture for Bottas.

But they've already scored more points than they managed in 2013 :P


Was it a puncture, I thought it looked like it was the wheel that failed.

Yes, it failed after hitting the wall.
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By 1Lemon
#396011
The only reason Bottas was able to continue in Australia was that his suspension was very strong; which is apparently a result of years of making a car with Pastor in mind.

Despite Felipe Massa’s early retirement – his Finnish team-mate, Valtteri Bottas, once again proved his natural ability with two storming drives through the field – the second after hitting the wall and destroying his wheel. Symonds said afterwards that Bottas should be thankful to his former team-mate due to his destructive race-craft in his tenure at the team.

Speaking to Auto Motor undo Sport Symonds commented: “Our suspension is very strong, Pastor pushed the limits very often in the past and that probably had an influence on the design.” It would seem that the Venezuelan benefitted the Williams outfit with more than the huge petro dollars he brought to secure his race seat…

Symonds said that if Massa and Bottas had had clean races, they would have set their sights on the podium. This is a view that’s shared amongst the other teams and the media – as former driver Mika Salo told the Finnish broadcaster MTV3: “Williams’ car is the second fastest after Mercedes.”
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By LewEngBridewell
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The only reason Bottas was able to continue in Australia was that his suspension was very strong; which is apparently a result of years of making a car with Pastor in mind.

Despite Felipe Massa’s early retirement – his Finnish team-mate, Valtteri Bottas, once again proved his natural ability with two storming drives through the field – the second after hitting the wall and destroying his wheel. Symonds said afterwards that Bottas should be thankful to his former team-mate due to his destructive race-craft in his tenure at the team.

Speaking to Auto Motor undo Sport Symonds commented: “Our suspension is very strong, Pastor pushed the limits very often in the past and that probably had an influence on the design.” It would seem that the Venezuelan benefitted the Williams outfit with more than the huge petro dollars he brought to secure his race seat…

Symonds said that if Massa and Bottas had had clean races, they would have set their sights on the podium. This is a view that’s shared amongst the other teams and the media – as former driver Mika Salo told the Finnish broadcaster MTV3: “Williams’ car is the second fastest after Mercedes.”


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Fantastic!
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By Jabberwocky
#396018
Now that is a back handed compliment to pastor

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By NHcheese
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Yeah. But they were expected to be second. Their general relative sped compared to others was shocking.


What???

The relative speed of Bottas climbing the field from 16th to 9th in under 10 laps, then he was last at the mid way point and then finished 6th(5th including cars)!!!! How is that slow, he was storming the rest of the field.


Sorry about the confusion. I meant shoking in like "oh my god that is incredible!!"
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By 1Lemon
#396056
Yeah. But they were expected to be second. Their general relative sped compared to others was shocking.


What???

The relative speed of Bottas climbing the field from 16th to 9th in under 10 laps, then he was last at the mid way point and then finished 6th(5th including cars)!!!! How is that slow, he was storming the rest of the field.


Sorry about the confusion. I meant shoking in like "oh my god that is incredible!!"


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

That is a complete miss reading :hehe:
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By 1Lemon
#397346
For someone fast approaching his 200th Grand Prix, Felipe Massa sure does drive slowly.

Just over three and a half years after he was infamously told to hand over position to Ferrari teammate Fernando Alonso, the Brazilian was subjected to a similar and painful instruction at the Malaysian Grand Prix on Sunday.

The competitor in Massa, though, chose to ignore the confidence-crushing order pointing out after the race that he was helping Williams.

"I am trying to do my best for the team," he had said justifying his stance.

Just how he was trying to do the best for the team is questionable. He was definitely trying to help himself though, even if it came at the cost of Williams' resurgence.

5.1 SECONDS SLOWER

At the start of lap 53 of the 56-lap race at Sepang, Massa was told not to hold up teammate Valtteri Bottas in hopes that the quicker Finn would attack and attempt to overtake Jenson Button, who was holding on to sixth place ahead of the Williams duo.

Bottas was the last of the battling trio to have pitted and had tyres two laps fresher than on Massa's wheels. Button's last stop came at lap 39 and Massa at 42, but the Brazilian was still considerably slower than the 2009 world champion.


© Alastair Staley/Williams
From laps 45 to 52, before the team order was issued, Massa had lost 1.2 seconds to Button. Bottas, meanwhile, gained a whopping 3.8 seconds over the McLaren and 5.1 seconds over his teammate.

So, Valtteri was definitely faster than Felipe. Much faster.

After repeated requests from the pit wall, Massa eventually replied on lap 55 claiming that he was "getting quicker" despite being a tenth off on the lap and two-tenths slower on the preceding one to Bottas.

Button consequently benefited from the battle behind and maintained the pace he could manage but even the Briton admitted later that the Williams was a quicker car.

Although the one trailing him wasn't.

"I'm sure the result would not have changed even if I had let him by, so it's the same," reasoned Massa without the benefit of hindsight.

Bottas sat behind Massa in hope that the Brazilian would let him through - losing downforce and smarting his tyres as a result. After all the Finn had adhered - reluctantly - to the team's call in the early stages of the race when he was instructed not to fight with his teammate.

"Don't attack Massa. Don't be aggressive to Massa. We need to let him go through (Kevin) Magnussen and then we'll just follow through," Bottas was radioed on lap 6.

"Well, tell him to go through," came the calm and unimpressed reply. "I have more pace."

Massa failed to make the much-awaited pass despite the rookie having damaged his car and consequently losing vital tenths after a clash with the Ferrari of Kimi Raikkonen earlier. This defined the veteran's outing.

Bottas, in contrast, left his slower and vastly experienced partner unchallenged, opting to heed the call from the pit wall instead. No point battling a teammate and risk getting both the cars into the gravel.

MILLIONS AT STAKE


© AP Photo/Lai Seng Sin
Just how Massa helped himself isn't really clear.

After being annihilated at Ferrari by Alonso, Massa was now being upstaged by a driver who was racing in his 21st Grand Prix.

Williams' deputy team principal Claire Williams was questioned how the team had dared inflicted such an emotional blow to a driver who had suffered so much by being Ferrari's number two.

But then Williams, former world champions, has had a torrid run recently with the 2011 and 2013 campaigns as one of its worst in its shining history.

Massa's opinion cost the Grove-based outfit a very likely two points if not four; the latter of which is one less than that it scored in the entire last season. And with the sport's revenue distributed among the teams on the basis of their position in the constructors' championship, the move could potentially cost the team millions.

Not to mention a potential rift emerging between the drivers that could damage future opportunities. After all there are still 17 races remaining this season.

The real question is: How could Massa do that to Williams?
By Hammer278
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Great article, agree with every word. Flipper has a tough time admitting his level of talent/speed, and this is not a new habit. He used to be feisty and quick until that suspension incident, and he's been fooling himself ever since.
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By zurich_allan
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Great article, agree with every word. Flipper has a tough time admitting his level of talent/speed, and this is not a new habit. He used to be feisty and quick until that suspension incident, and he's been fooling himself ever since.


So how do you explain him consistently qualifying higher than Alonso in the second half of the season last year when the reigns of Ferrari were removed? Is Alonso slow? Genuine question by the way. You can't 'fool' that - it's factual.

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By Hammer278
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Alonso was never a great qualifier, even his own team boss (Luca Whatzhisname) publicly said it sometime last year which caused the friction in the team for a while. So yes, Alonso is slow (relative to the best qualifiers) on a Saturday.
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By zurich_allan
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Alonso was never a great qualifier, even his own team boss (Luca Whatzhisname) publicly said it sometime last year which caused the friction in the team for a while. So yes, Alonso is slow (relative to the best qualifiers) on a Saturday.


Fair enough. I've never really thought about Alonso being a slow qualifier. I guess maybe I'd just like to have seen what Massa might have been able to do at Ferrari when given a real chance such as in 2008 when the team backed him having seen that at the time Kimi just wasn't cutting it. He may have lost some of that pace, but it's easy to forget that for at least a short time he was a genuine contender.

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