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[What's Burning?]

There's no talk about Lewis' reaction about the win. He was emotionless as if he had scored a third or fourth position, why do you think that was? Was it really because McLaren didn't let Button compete for the win? Or was it because Jenson attacked him while they were said to save fuel? He won that battle and should be happy. I can't explain it

I had the same perception, he seemed not his usual winning way, no waving during the victory lap no fist pumping in the air, almost as if the victory falling in his lap made it less worthy in his opinion.

He has a second place podium finish taken from him with two laps to go, this time round he got a win. What did strike me about his demeanor over the weekend is that he's confident with a hair more they can be fighting on equal footing with the Red Bulls.

[EwanM]

An excerpt from James Allen's F1 site:

Horner’s immediate reaction was not to blame either driver but to say that the team was disappointed with both drivers for not giving each other room. Lip-reading what he was saying in real time as he watched the two racing was “Move, move!” and one wonders which of his two drivers he wanted to “move”.

[Hansy]

Turkey is the only decent Tilke track.

You're spelling Sepang wrong.

[What's Burning?]

Watching the Jenson Hamilton back passes, it was clear they were fighting, first Jenson taking the lead and then Hamilton taking it back. It think they used a little more self control but they were racing, that was clear. Hamilton won this race two fold, from Red Bull and taking the lead back from Jenson.

[scotty]

What does people make of the latest Red Bull speculation?

Did Red Bull ask Webber to turn his engine down and not Vettel's?

Their lap times prior to the incident show the Australian slow down while Vettel remains quick...

EDIT: Does Red Bull want Vettel to win the championship over Webber? Now i'm not suggesting they do but it is an interesting line for discussion?

All of the speculation may be purely coincidence and we will have to wait a few more days for more details to emerge.

I'm not sure the lap times are the best thing to be going off (as Ted appeared to be doing), AD said the speed trap readings may be more useful and i agree, although that could also be skewed by being in the slipstream.

I would be pissed off if they are already favouring Vettel but am dubious about these rumours at the same time. That accident was completely Vettel's fault as well, the tool.

I was also unsurprised by McLaren's race pace as they have already shown in Barcelona that they weren't too far off - i think Canada will be their race if RB and to a lesser extent Ferrari's updates don't work as planned.

[stonemonkey]

Watching the Jenson Hamilton back passes, it was clear they were fighting, first Jenson taking the lead and then Hamilton taking it back. It think they used a little more self control but they were racing, that was clear. Hamilton won this race two fold, from Red Bull and taking the lead back from Jenson.

Maybe the skeptic in me but I'm thinking the fuel warning to Button and Hamilton was more just an instruction to keep in position to the end and when Button passed Hamilton he's been told to give the position back and that's something to do with Hamilton not celebrating the win.

[racechick]

An excerpt from James Allen's F1 site:

Horner’s immediate reaction was not to blame either driver but to say that the team was disappointed with both drivers for not giving each other room. Lip-reading what he was saying in real time as he watched the two racing was “Move, move!” and one wonders which of his two drivers he wanted to “move”.

I think thats pretty clear. But how disappointing! They wanted Vettel to win and wanted Webber to move out of the way.

Apparantly Webber had switched to fuel save and vetttel had one lap left of full speed.

[cap-dude]

Reason Lewis wasn't as happy as can be. He was told both cars were being told to save fuel. Generally that meant he just had to cruise home.

I think Lewis did something like a second slower on that lap Button pulled the move around the outside. Clearly Lewis backed off a bit much, and Jenson simply took this as an oppurtunity.

I remember a very similar situation to this happening in Ferrari during early 80's. Villeneuve was leading team mate Pironi home for a Ferrari 1-2. Both were told to slow and save fuel, but contrary to that, Pironi kept going and overtook Villeneuve for the win. Needless to say, the two didn't speak ever again.

Now I doubt something to the same extent will happen at McLaren. Neither driver is just that hot headed. But can you imagine Lewis thinking he was just cruising home, only to see his team right alongside him all of a sudden. I'm sure he wasn't best pleased. I was specifically watching both drivers as they walked into the little room before the podium, and Lewis certainly didn't look to happy to talk to button. Then Button seemed to be explaining himself at one point.

Tension at McLaren. But the team has been there before and it'll not be an issue. Tension at Red Bull will be an issue.

[Datsun]

Currently reading some of Red Bull's internal reaction to the incident. Very disappointing.

Q: Why was Sebastian so much quicker than Mark so suddenly?
Helmut Marko: I think it was in the tyres.

Sad, I predict a difficult time for Webber. Here is hoping he can stick it up Vettel for the rest of the season.

The marketing machine that is Red Bull want their young Michael Schumacher of the future, Mark Webber winning the WDC would destroy that image, long after he leaves Red Bull.

[ivey]

There's no talk about Lewis' reaction about the win. He was emotionless as if he had scored a third or fourth position, why do you think that was? Was it really because McLaren didn't let Button compete for the win? Or was it because Jenson attacked him while they were said to save fuel? He won that battle and should be happy. I can't explain it

Man, some people really like to see things that aren't their, Jenson was not told to back off at all. Both drivers were told to conserve fuel so Lewis slowed down but Jenson decided to have a pop when Lewis was not flat out so he passed him. Lewis then decided to win his place back, not because McLaren had told jENSON to back off, it was because Jenson could not hold the position, it's as simple as that.

So Lewis should do cart wheels because ivey wants him to?

I am sure he is happy enough just like Jenson is happy enough, i know you and some people can't bare the thought of Lewis and Jenson actually getting on but that's the way it is. If you want in team fighting then look towards Redbull for your kicks.

Looks like you are right. I quote Lewis: "Having said all that, winning today doesn't feel quite as good as it sometimes does. That's because it's a little bit different from some of my previous race victories: ideally, the racer in me wants to win by overtaking the guys in front, not by seeing them crash out in front of me. "

It was a bit surprising for me to hear Lewis calmly congratulating the team with no shouts or anything.

[myownalias]

I have just finished watching the race now; technical problems with my net connection so I am a little late to the party; so here's my conclusion:

Red Bull threw it away; Vettel got a little over zealous and tried to squeeze Mark when Mark had given him enough room; Mark wasn't having any of it as you'd expect from the hard driving Aussie; the blame is squarely in Vettel's court in my opinion. I enjoyed the little battle between Lewis and Jenson; I think that was a little signal from Jenson to Lewis that he is still there and he'll have to work hard to beat him. I have to say that Jenson and Lewis are fairly equally matched; I think that Jenson has become a much more aggressive driver, maybe that is what is needed to get the best out of the McLaren; great racing from both the Brits. Good result for Schumacher in forth and Sauber got both cars home and scored a point; hopefully that'll give the Sauber team a boost and maybe some sponsorship. As for the conspiracy theories; I don't think there is too much to it; not at this stage of the season!

[f1ea]

Alonso's facial hair is worse, its just a mess. But each to his own

Not really... Alonso's hair is more of a "happened" rather than a "do", just scruffy looking, like Vettel's. Lewis' was done, poorly done hehe
I dont mind his earrings though...

An excerpt from James Allen's F1 site:

Horner’s immediate reaction was not to blame either driver but to say that the team was disappointed with both drivers for not giving each other room. Lip-reading what he was saying in real time as he watched the two racing was “Move, move!” and one wonders which of his two drivers he wanted to “move”.

I think thats pretty clear. But how disappointing! They wanted Vettel to win and wanted Webber to move out of the way.

Apparantly Webber had switched to fuel save and vetttel had one lap left of full speed.

How could anybody say the Red Bulls were on save fuel mode?! they were under fierce attack by the Mclarens (at least Lewis')
In fact Webber holding Vettel off could have allowed for an overtake on Vettel (not that it was Webber's problem); but that is why Vettel was all out for the position. They touched because Webber didnt move. He wasnt supposed to, so in the end it was unfortunate they took eachother out, but it was racing. Maybe Vettel should hav waited for a better clearer opportunity, but i'm sure he felt he HAD to make that pass.

Also with Jenson and Lewis. I am 100% certain Lewis had spent more fuel than Jenson... so why should Lewis assume that because he had to save fuel so should have Jenson?? I dont think he did think that, but theres some people mentioning maybe thats why Lewis wasnt too happy in the end. I dont think so. I think he was reasonably happy, but it was a close fight and perhaps Lewis thought he had much more margin over Jenson which he doesnt.

Good race, great fights. No need to go crazy with conspiraciy theories and whatnot. There were 4 cars impressively close.

thumbs up for Turkey!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it almost rained. Boy would that have been classic!

[f1ea]

Wheres Alonso?

Better than where Lewis finished in Barcelona.

2 races old is all you got? No wonder Sooky Alonso is slow!

Who knows... maybe he'll tank it tomorrow also

Do you think he (Lewis) can win tomorrow? The car is good, but i have not seen much about the tires behaviour and so on. For some reason I think 1 of the Red Bulls will not finish. So it could be Lewis or Jenson winning; Lewis winning tomorrow would be a MAJOR turnabout.........

i knew it.
Where's my trophy?

[racechick]

Alonso's facial hair is worse, its just a mess. But each to his own

Not really... Alonso's hair is more of a "happened" rather than a "do", just scruffy looking, like Vettel's. Lewis' was done, poorly done hehe
I dont mind his earrings though...

An excerpt from James Allen's F1 site:

Horner’s immediate reaction was not to blame either driver but to say that the team was disappointed with both drivers for not giving each other room. Lip-reading what he was saying in real time as he watched the two racing was “Move, move!” and one wonders which of his two drivers he wanted to “move”.

I think thats pretty clear. But how disappointing! They wanted Vettel to win and wanted Webber to move out of the way.

Apparantly Webber had switched to fuel save and vetttel had one lap left of full speed.

How could anybody say the Red Bulls were on save fuel mode?! they were under fierce attack by the Mclarens (at least Lewis')
In fact Webber holding Vettel off could have allowed for an overtake on Vettel (not that it was Webber's problem); but that is why Vettel was all out for the position. They touched because Webber didnt move. He wasnt supposed to, so in the end it was unfortunate they took eachother out, but it was racing. Maybe Vettel should hav waited for a better clearer opportunity, but i'm sure he felt he HAD to make that pass.

Also with Jenson and Lewis. I am 100% certain Lewis had spent more fuel than Jenson... so why should Lewis assume that because he had to save fuel so should have Jenson?? I dont think he did think that, but theres some people mentioning maybe thats why Lewis wasnt too happy in the end. I dont think so. I think he was reasonably happy, but it was a close fight and perhaps Lewis thought he had much more margin over Jenson which he doesnt.

Good race, great fights. No need to go crazy with conspiraciy theories and whatnot. There were 4 cars impressively close.

thumbs up for Turkey!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it almost rained. Boy would that have been classic!

Autosport website said Webber was on fuel saving and Vettel had a lap left at full pace.

As for Lewis he was making no assumptions about Jens' fuel. It came over his radio and was broadcast on BBC "fuel saving mode and that is for BOTH cars"

[Denthúl]

EDIT: Does Red Bull want Vettel to win the championship over Webber? Now i'm not suggesting they do but it is an interesting line for discussion?

All of the speculation may be purely coincidence and we will have to wait a few more days for more details to emerge.

Marko did throw out a lot of comments last year that suggested such, and Vettel is the 'golden boy' of the team, but I don't think that's translating in to extra help at the moment.