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[Matkins]

Please he may well have been on his gearbox but as he failed in his overtaking bid, had he bothered to stay on the road as is the rule, he would have had to break hard to get behind Kimi and therefore drop 2-3 car lengths behind, meaning he would not have been on his gearbox at the next corner

How could he have "bothered" to stay on the road. There was no road left. He had two options, collide with Raikkonen (would have got him a penalty for sure), or cut the corner then give the place back. Which amazingly still got him a penalty. It seems very desperate to want this decision to stand, especially as it only benefits 2 drivers who weren't in the slightest bit involved (Massa, Heidfeld). I guess if you can't get no satisfaction on the track, you have to grasp at the bureaucratic favoritism handed your way. But it's not racing is it.

[McLaren Fan]

Here is the video Clicky to see

Speed commentators never really heard them before but from that id take it they are firm Ferrari sheep.... go get him Kimi

What a load of Ferrari-supporting w**kers.

HAMILITON IS AN BOTTOM HOLE ROOKIE GUY. JUST GOT LOTS OF LUCK WITH HIM. ONCE HIS LUCK STOPS FAVORING HIM HE WILL BE NOTHING BUT A LOSER.

I AM MICHAEL SCHUMACHER

No. You are a little wart.

OK folks I think things are getting ridiculously out of control here ( and that coming form me means things must really be bad). The penalty was bunk, there's really no question about it but, really, just move on. Prost should have been champ in 84 but for a stopped race and half points!! Outrageous. Then again Mario Andretti won his second Indy 500 in 1981 on a penalty to Bobby Unser only to have it overturned FOUR MONTHS later, giving the win back to BU. Point is, $hiit happens and everyone deals and moves on.

Oh, right. We should just continue to tolerate s*** like this then because it has happened before. I suppose we should tolerate crime, bigotry etc. just because it's happened before.

[texasmr2]

After watching the video's it is clear that an advantage was gained by keeping the momentum but as I also mentioned it's clear the rule's were followed by Lewis. I would luv to know how/why the FIA is governing 'momentum' now.

[McLaren Fan]

After watching the video's it is clear that an advantage was gained by keeping the momentum but as I also mentioned it's clear the rule's were followed by Lewis. I would luv to know how/why the FIA is governing 'momentum' now.

Gregg, Hamilton was going six kph slower than Raikkonen and, before the incident in question, Hamilton was right up Raikkonen's gearbox.

[bud]

I do not understand the "momentum" wording being used. shall we have to give everyone a crash course in simple physics??? Hamilton decelerated, deceleration dissipates momentum

and if you want to be technical Lewis's nose was ahead he was on the racing line Kimi on the inside forced him off so coming back right on his gearbox was fair!!

If people like Niki Lauda see nothing wrong with it. compared to 3 geeky looking twats who look like they came straight from a gay bar i think id take Niki's word

[texasmr2]

I'm not argueing anything gent's I'm dismayed at the FIA's decision as to how Lewis gained an advantage, I'm on your side.

If people like Niki Lauda see nothing wrong with it. compared to 3 geeky looking twats who look like they came straight from a gay bar i think id take Niki's word.

That's awesome and I agree!

[McLaren Fan]

I'm not argueing anything gent's I'm dismayed at the FIA's decision as to how Lewis gained an advantage, I'm on your side.

We know you and appreciate it, but that still doesn't mean Hamilton had momentum; it's against the laws of physics!

[AKR]

I do not understand the "momentum" wording being used. shall we have to give everyone a crash course in simple physics??? Hamilton decelerated, deceleration dissipates momentum

and if you want to be technical Lewis's nose was ahead he was on the racing line Kimi on the inside forced him off so coming back right on his gearbox was fair!!

If people like Niki Lauda see nothing wrong with it. compared to 3 geeky looking twats who look like they came straight from a gay bar i think id take Niki's word

Could have something to do with when Lewis Hamilton allowed Kimi to repass, that he tucked into the back of Kimi's car and got into the slip stream which would of boosted his speed even if he deaccelerated thus gaining an advantage. Other than that I have no idea as to why Lewis Hamilton was penalised and once again was surprised he even got a penalty.

[bud]

Whats Lewis meant to do other than let Kimi back ahead? there is no rule stating you cannot go for another pass after you let him back infront! theres no rule stating you need to drop back to x amount of seconds! Lewis did what is the etiquette from kids midget through to F1! any other race track around the world be it Karting or cars that would not have been punished! FACT

[McLaren Fan]

Before the incident, Hamilton was up Raikkonen's gearbox. If anything, Hamilton lost ground to Raikkonen. If this was two homosexual men making love, one would be up the other's backside. It was that close. Get into your heads Ferrari lambs, McLaren and Hamilton haters. There is no way you can justify yesterday's sickening turn of events!

[texasmr2]

I'm not argueing anything gent's I'm dismayed at the FIA's decision as to how Lewis gained an advantage, I'm on your side.

We know you and appreciate it, but that still doesn't mean Hamilton had momentum; it's against the laws of physics!

Now I know alittle bit about physic's especially in a car so allow me to elaborate/explain myself alittle better. Hamilton only lifted and vered left to avoid a potential disaster and got right back on the accelerator while Kimi had to lift to make the final turn onto the straight That's just how I see it as Lewis had his car pointed straight already which possibly allowed him to get into 100% throttle sooner than Kimi.

Regardless it's all hogwash because Lewis did everything right and I'm very disheartened for him and the team.

[Mikep99]

I too think this was a harsh decision & is no good for the sport in general.
But there have been some points brought up which highlight "to me anyway" that this incident is not so cut and dry as some would say.

But saying that I do think Hammy should get the benefit of any double there may be & should have one.

Hamilton right to be penalised

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Blogs/A-to-Z-of-Bloggers/Dave-Maher/03/09/Hamilton-right-to-be-penalised/
I may regret saying this, but perhaps it was fair for Lewis Hamilton to be punished following his duel with Kimi Raikkonen close to the end of the Belgian Grand Prix.
I say perhaps because, to be frank, I have been mulling it over and it is such a difficult one to call – tough to come to a definitive opinion.
One thing is for sure, I believe, and that is that Hamilton used illegal means to overtake Raikkonen late on in the race at La Source. He exploited the momentum he had gained from cutting the Bus Stop chicane to pass at the famous hairpin.
Let me explain how I have reached that conclusion, despite McLaren’s insistence that Hamilton dropped six kilometres per hour off his pace in order to let the Ferrari man back past on the main straight.
Hamilton made an attempt to pass Raikkonen at the chicane, and his rival held the inside line. Hamilton had nowhere else to go and thus took a route across the chicane. He then held the lead briefly before giving it back immediately. All of that is fair enough.
However, I see what happened next in the following way. How could Hamilton have rightfully had the pace to overtake at the very next corner? Apart from the rarest of circumstances, it is not possible to overtake a competitor a few hundred metres after failing to correctly take - albeit through a perfectly acceptable racing incident - the previous corner.
Of course, you could argue that it was possible, despite those set of circumstances, because Raikkonen’s pace had also been compromised by the incident.
But the Finn came on to the straight, seemingly, more or less at the same velocity as someone who had correctly gone through the chicane. That was just down to how the incident panned out – a little unlucky for Hamilton, but that’s the game.
Basically, Hamilton should not have been in a position to attempt, and complete, an overtaking manoeuvre so soon after completely missing a corner.
Logically, the fact that he was proves that he had done gained an advantage – i.e. cut the chicane – in order to have the power to essentially out-brake his opponent at the next turn. The six km/ph that Hamilton wiped off to give the lead back did not do enough to bring him back to his natural pace on the straight, had he gone through the chicane in a standard fashion.
The Briton was given a very damaging penalty for his transgression, but that is a whole other argument, one I’m not willing to get into right now.

[McLaren Fan]

I'm not argueing anything gent's I'm dismayed at the FIA's decision as to how Lewis gained an advantage, I'm on your side.

We know you and appreciate it, but that still doesn't mean Hamilton had momentum; it's against the laws of physics!

Now I know alittle bit about physic's especially in a car so allow me to elaborate/explain myself alittle better. Hamilton only lifted and vered left to avoid a potential disaster and got right back on the accelerator while Kimi had to lift to make the final turn onto the straight That's just how I see it as Lewis had his car pointed straight already which possibly allowed him to get into 100% throttle sooner than Kimi.

Regardless it's all hogwash because Lewis did everything right and I'm very disheartened for him and the team.

The telemetry from Hamilton's car shows that he was not using full throttle was six kph slower than Raikkonen. Like I say, it's great that you disagree with the penalty, but you don't seem to understand just how absurd it really is!

[Matkins]

I too think this was a harsh decision & is no good for the sport in general.
But there have been some points brought up which highlight "to me anyway" that this incident is not so cut and dry as some would say.

But saying that I do think Hammy should get the benefit of any double there may be & should have one.

Hamilton right to be penalised

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Blogs/A-to-Z-of-Bloggers/Dave-Maher/03/09/Hamilton-right-to-be-penalised/

...How could Hamilton have rightfully had the pace to overtake at the very next corner?...

Because Raikonen broke early and took a really stupid line. Where as Hamilton broke late and took a much nicer line. I'm really confused and disapointed that people are failing to see the obvious.

[AKR]

Before the incident, Hamilton was up Raikkonen's gearbox. If anything, Hamilton lost ground to Raikkonen. If this was two homosexual men making love, one would be up the other's backside. It was that close. Get into your heads Ferrari lambs, McLaren and Hamilton haters. There is no way you can justify yesterday's sickening turn of events!

I wasn't trying to say the penalty was correct, more trying to understand how the hell the stewards came upo with their decision. Simple. By the way which one am I. I am not a Ferrari lamb, I am not a Hamilton hater. Guess I am the middle one a McLaren hater.