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#395563
@Hamms, The way he wrapped the whole team around him and became the leader just by his sheer unquestionable talent, the way he deployed all the resources of the most successful F1 team (adjusted for time in the sport) around his preferences have never been seen since Senna did the same with McLaren and delivering their best winning run in the 80s

And the way he drove Lewis out and straight into Monster Merc was reminiscent of how Senna helped McLaren become a record breaking legend
#395571
I guess it's symbolism for Jenson's Formula One career, he manages to technically get a podium finish without actually getting on the podium.
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By sagi58
#395626
Personally, I thought Button did himself proud! He scored points in a car that,
just a few weeks ago was being written off!!

Let's remember that we witnessed "one" race, thusfar. Just as we can't rule out
any of the drivers who dnf'd, we can't rule out any of those that scored points.
#395629
Personally, I thought Button did himself proud!


Sagi, the biggest test is how one does versus their teammate. Button the most experienced driver on the grid, the third highest paid, and a WDC can only be compared to his rookie teammate who was in his first ever F1 race, at a circuit he hasnt raced in let alone won at recently.

Button is a proud champion from 2009 when he drove faster than everyone else for part of the season. I am sure that he is proud of that performance, however I am not 100% sure that he is proud of getting comprehensively beaten by a rookie. And if as you say he did himself proud then I suspect Ron will be looking closely at increasing and extending his 15 mill wage and demanding the type of masterclass we saw in the first third of 2009 when Button completely beat the whole field 'Seb 2013' style
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By sagi58
#395649
pssst... This is the Button support thread, so saying he should be proud of himself isn't a "bad" thing!!
Actually, considering his father, who was his strongest and most staunch supporter wasn't there to lend
his usual support is enough for me to believe that Button did a commendable job.

I'm not going to compare him to Magnussen, since they are at different stages of their respective
careers. Button knows he has one, maybe two more years in F1; whereas, Magnussen still needs to
prove to himself and to others that he belongs here and that he won't fizzle out!
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#395652
Button had a bad qualifying session, yes he probably slowed too much for the situation which cost him but to say Button's performance compared to Magnussen was not great is grossly unfair. We don't know what would have happened if the tables were turned. I'm not taking anything away from Magnussen; he drove fantastically all weekend, but one race doesn't make a season, it's too early to condemn Jenson to #2 in McLaren just yet!
#395686
Personally, I thought Button did himself proud! He scored points in a car that,
just a few weeks ago was being written off!!


I'm not sure why the car was suddenly being "written off" though? There was no alarming evidence of that, and it was clearly better than last year's... :confused:
#395690
Button had a bad qualifying session, yes he probably slowed too much for the situation which cost him but to say Button's performance compared to Magnussen was not great is grossly unfair. We don't know what would have happened if the tables were turned. I'm not taking anything away from Magnussen; he drove fantastically all weekend, but one race doesn't make a season, it's too early to condemn Jenson to #2 in McLaren just yet!


Myown, always the voice if reason. I have missed you.

@lew I agree. That cars good. Could be an exciting year for McLaren.
#395705
I agree, the car is not last years car. It's competitive and already has trophies in McLaren's HQ. the are no excuses for Button or Mag. Ron, ain't nobody go time for that.
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By sagi58
#395708
Personally, I thought Button did himself proud! He scored points in a car that,
just a few weeks ago was being written off!!


I'm not sure why the car was suddenly being "written off" though? There was no alarming evidence of that, and it was clearly better than last year's... :confused:

I stand corrected!! What I should have said is that Button did very well, considering
how some were writing him off Button, without Whitmarsh as Team Principal.

My apologies to McLaren fans!! :blush:
#395736
Jenson did a good job on Sunday. Sure he was beaten by his rookie team mate, but then so were half of the grid... and we have to remember that rookie to F1 doesn't equal rookie to racing, it's not the same as, say, someone starting a job with no experience, and also bear in mind that both drivers completed many many laps in testing.

Good racecraft to take advantage of the pit-stop situation / safety car and finished several places than where he started, even taking into account other cars ahead of him failing. He clearly still isn't 100% comfortable with the car / setup, but still managed to finish 4th on track / 3rd in the official results, I genuinely don't see how this can be classified as being as bad as some are making out, or really what more should have been expected of him.
#395740
I've said in this thread he did well on Sunday, got the business done.
For him to do better? Well for me it would be ..... Quali better, beat his teammate and overtake more.
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By bud
#395747
Jenson did a good job on Sunday. Sure he was beaten by his rookie team mate, but then so were half of the grid... and we have to remember that rookie to F1 doesn't equal rookie to racing, it's not the same as, say, someone starting a job with no experience, and also bear in mind that both drivers completed many many laps in testing.

Good racecraft to take advantage of the pit-stop situation / safety car and finished several places than where he started, even taking into account other cars ahead of him failing. He clearly still isn't 100% comfortable with the car / setup, but still managed to finish 4th on track / 3rd in the official results, I genuinely don't see how this can be classified as being as bad as some are making out, or really what more should have been expected of him.


But it's the big league, the pressure of being on the world stage means it's something new. Race craft aside, it takes someone special to be able to handle that pressure.
#395780
Jenson did a good job on Sunday. Sure he was beaten by his rookie team mate, but then so were half of the grid... and we have to remember that rookie to F1 doesn't equal rookie to racing, it's not the same as, say, someone starting a job with no experience, and also bear in mind that both drivers completed many many laps in testing.
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Half the field were not his teammates, Button himself said experienced drivers would have an edge in this tumultuous period of change. Both drivers did a lot of testing but the changeable conditions and yellows in quali is where a 15 mill WDC should earn his coin. Talk of luck is bs. Buttons defence against a possible speed disadvantage to Maggieson is his experience and race craft. He missed a chance to assert those qualities and will no tbe proud as he knows he can and must do better
#395794
Jenson did a good job on Sunday. Sure he was beaten by his rookie team mate, but then so were half of the grid... and we have to remember that rookie to F1 doesn't equal rookie to racing, it's not the same as, say, someone starting a job with no experience, and also bear in mind that both drivers completed many many laps in testing.
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Half the field were not his teammates, Button himself said experienced drivers would have an edge in this tumultuous period of change. Both drivers did a lot of testing but the changeable conditions and yellows in quali is where a 15 mill WDC should earn his coin. Talk of luck is bs. Buttons defence against a possible speed disadvantage to Maggieson is his experience and race craft. He missed a chance to assert those qualities and will no tbe proud as he knows he can and must do better


I don't agree at all - it's the complete opposite that's true in my opinion - when all of the regulations change and therefore there isn't the same continuity, it levels the playing field more with continuing drivers and new ones, because they're all in the same boat - that's just logic.
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