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[stonemonkey]

It would depend on the cause of the failure, they were confident enough to keep using the wing on one of their cars....

The cause of the failure does not change the risk it posed to the driver.

I agree, the cause does not change the risk imposed but whether or not Red Bull were at fault and exposed their drivers to risk does depend on the casuse and confidence to keep the same wing on one of their cars suggests to me that it wasn't a design flaw and that they understood the failure.

EDIT: If they didn't understand it or it was a design fault then wouldn't the action of giving Vettel the remaining updated wing actually be giving Webber preferential treatment?

[nish2280]

It would depend on the cause of the failure, they were confident enough to keep using the wing on one of their cars....

The cause of the failure does not change the risk it posed to the driver.

I agree, the cause does not change the risk imposed but whether or not Red Bull were at fault and exposed their drivers to risk does depend on the casuse and confidence to keep the same wing on one of their cars suggests to me that it wasn't a design flaw and that they understood the failure.

EDIT: If they didn't understand it or it was a design fault then wouldn't the action of giving Vettel the remaining updated wing actually be giving Webber preferential treatment?

The reason i say it is compromised can be seen in a simple experiment. Take a large biscuit or a piece of toast and add pressure on two parallel sides and strike it with a fork or knife. Do the same without adding pressure to either side and you will see the difference.

Haha this is getting sorta controversial now but that would go against the reason that most people give for the wing being changed in the first place, in order to help the image of the RedBull driver program

Now you wouldnt think that they would want to KILL their prized driver would they?

[f1ea]

c'mon Mark only used the wing issue as leverage, and made the bigger issue because he didnt get pole. Mind games and media play to get some extra support. He needs it, because Vettel is faster.

Also, the same front wing concept can be used differently at different tracks... so maybe you can see the wing moving some more at one track over the other...

[stonemonkey]

The reason i say it is compromised can be seen in a simple experiment. Take a large biscuit or a piece of toast and add pressure on two parallel sides and strike it with a fork or knife. Do the same without adding pressure to either side and you will see the difference.

Or perhaps the extra flexibility could absorb more force before it breaks than a more rigid wing, try your test with a rubber biscuit. I see no reason to suspect Red Bull have compromised driver safety with their design.

[f1ea]

The reason i say it is compromised can be seen in a simple experiment. Take a large biscuit or a piece of toast and add pressure on two parallel sides and strike it with a fork or knife. Do the same without adding pressure to either side and you will see the difference.

Or perhaps the extra flexibility could absorb more force before it breaks than a more rigid wing, try your test with a rubber biscuit. I see no reason to suspect Red Bull have compromised driver safety with their design.

i think so also.
so far, there's nothing to say Red Bull has put their drivers at any unreasonable risk. Anytime you bring a new component there is some risk; so that's it.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Someone should alert Adrian Newey that he should replace his CAD impact simulator with toast and biscuits.

My only question is whether that's an American biscuit or a British biscuit.

[darwin dali]

Someone should alert Adrian Newey that he should replace his CAD impact simulator with toast and biscuits.

My only question is whether that's an American biscuit or a British biscuit.

I thought he uses next to his legendary paper and pencil only toasts and biscuits for simulation purposes already...

[stonemonkey]

Someone should alert Adrian Newey that he should replace his CAD impact simulator with toast and biscuits.

My only question is whether that's an American biscuit or a British biscuit.

I suspect reisauflauf and ferrari use the garibaldi and there are rumours Mclaren are considering crumpets.

[nish2280]

Virgin did it all wrong when they said they would use CAD to design their car. What they really needed was a tenner worth of biscuits.

Now thats called cutting costs.

And yes, your are right about the flexibility also being able to absorb impacts but that would only be true at slower speeds but at high speeds, with the load of the car cutting through the air and the wing being flexed to what i imagine is it's maximum point (so that it doesnt hit the floor) it would be more prone to damage.

[Robert12010]

Virgin did it all wrong when they said they would use CAD to design their car. What they really needed was a tenner worth of biscuits.

Now thats called cutting costs.

And yes, your are right about the flexibility also being able to absorb impacts but that would only be true at slower speeds but at high speeds, with the load of the car cutting through the air and the wing being flexed to what i imagine is it's maximum point (so that it doesnt hit the floor) it would be more prone to damage.

lol at the quote about virgin i have plenty of biscuits at home if they like

[SaintDean]

I suggest we run a round up called Biscuits for F1. We all get our biscuit barrels and hand them over to the teams who wish to use them, ill donate a couple of fig rolls to the cause.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

McLaren claim they still can't figure how RBR and Ferrari are doing it.

[What's Burning?]

McLaren claim they still can't figure how RBR and Ferrari are doing it.

And I don't think there's any smoke and mirrors in that response either.

[darwin dali]

Maybe this educational video might help them?
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[Fred_C_Dobbs]

The FIA might finally have got a clue. In fact, I suspect they've taken advantage of the summer break to ferret out some insider information.

They now think the floor of the chassis is being allowed to flex by means of an articulated skid block. They've devised a new test to be used at Monza but aren't divulging the precise details.

That the new test is such a radical change in direction from the earlier tells me they've either had an epiphany or some extra-FIA aid in the form either of a paddock spy or some team insider. But if McLaren couldn't figure it out, it's unbloodylikely the FIA on its own could. So perhaps the extra-FIA aid is McLaren.

By keeping the testing procedure secret, the teams can't know if the FIA finally have got it right. Which leaves RBR & Ferrari to question whether it's necessary to further modify the chassis to try to thwart the new test. But if they don't and get it wrong, they stand to entirely loose the flexi wing advantage at the fastest circuit in F1.

It's a plot worthy of a le Carré novel, I'm all goose fleshy!.