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[spankyham]

How about the fact the wings are not allowed to ride that low to the ground, if they were they would be made at that height from the get go. Also for a wing to physically be touching the ground requires flexing of some form, so wing flexing tests are there to stop that as well. If wings were allowed to to flex as much as they liked then there wouldnt be wing flexing tests would there!?

Where is the rule that says 'the wing must remain above 25mm off the ground at all times' then?!?! This is my point!

The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane, which is the lowest point of the car without the plank.
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Any more questions...

That 10mm flex only applies under the load test conditions. So i don't have any more questions, just my original unanswered one.

Very sorry Scott, but you can't just add to that sentence. It has a period at the end. It does not say anything about only applying to the load test. It says "The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane"

As I said, any more questions ....

[scotty]

Given that what i added is directly sourced from the technical regs, it's a completely valid and relevant addition.

[bud]

How about the fact the wings are not allowed to ride that low to the ground, if they were they would be made at that height from the get go. Also for a wing to physically be touching the ground requires flexing of some form, so wing flexing tests are there to stop that as well. If wings were allowed to to flex as much as they liked then there wouldnt be wing flexing tests would there!?

Where is the rule that says 'the wing must remain above 25mm off the ground at all times' then?!?! This is my point!

at all times? that piece of wording is covered by the rule that says wings arent allowed to flex or move.

So what about the fact that all the cars flex to an extent under load? You even said that yourself if i remember correctly... Also i posted gifs of the Merc and McLaren clearly flexing earlier in the thread. By definition they're either all illegal or all legal.

ofcourse they do no one is questioning that, its the point of flexing beyond the legal realm! Spanky has given the link to said realm. where wings are and are not allowed to be whether stationary or at speed.

[darwin dali]

How about the fact the wings are not allowed to ride that low to the ground, if they were they would be made at that height from the get go. Also for a wing to physically be touching the ground requires flexing of some form, so wing flexing tests are there to stop that as well. If wings were allowed to to flex as much as they liked then there wouldnt be wing flexing tests would there!?

Where is the rule that says 'the wing must remain above 25mm off the ground at all times' then?!?! This is my point!

The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane, which is the lowest point of the car without the plank.
Source

Any more questions...

That 10mm flex only applies under the load test conditions. So i don't have any more questions, just my original unanswered one.

Very sorry Scott, but you can't just add to that sentence. It has a period at the end. It does not say anything about only applying to the load test. It says "The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane"

As I said, any more questions ....

Where is the 'at all times' part here?

[killem2]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

[spankyham]

Given that what i added is directly sourced from the technical regs, it's a completely valid and relevant addition.

Yep, these words are also from the technical regs "gear box" "seal" and "the" BUT they are not in the sentence, that, in its entirety says exactly what I have quoted above. That is "The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane, which is the lowest point of the car without the plank." You can try and add anything you like to it, chilli sauce, cracked pepper, whatever, but, you cannot change what the rules really say

[spankyham]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

[nish2280]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

[bud]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

[darwin dali]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

[spankyham]

How about the fact the wings are not allowed to ride that low to the ground, if they were they would be made at that height from the get go. Also for a wing to physically be touching the ground requires flexing of some form, so wing flexing tests are there to stop that as well. If wings were allowed to to flex as much as they liked then there wouldnt be wing flexing tests would there!?

Where is the rule that says 'the wing must remain above 25mm off the ground at all times' then?!?! This is my point!

The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane, which is the lowest point of the car without the plank.
Source

Any more questions...

That 10mm flex only applies under the load test conditions. So i don't have any more questions, just my original unanswered one.

Very sorry Scott, but you can't just add to that sentence. It has a period at the end. It does not say anything about only applying to the load test. It says "The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane"

As I said, any more questions ....

Where is the 'at all times' part here?

Honestly, that is just plain silly - should it also say
-teams can have a maximum of 2 cars ..... "at all times"
- engines must not rev above 18K ........ "at all times"
- cars must be 640Kgs ...... "at all times"
- cars must have independent front and rear braking systems ..... "at all times"

[spankyham]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

News Flash!!! You can apply a lateral force in ways other than a wind tunnel. Here's just one totally crazy "off the wall thought" you see in the picture I posted (of the current FW flex test), how they apply the downward force to the wing now, do ya thunk they could ever invent a way to do that sideways?

Na na, you're right, wind tunnel is the simpler way to go

[darwin dali]

How about the fact the wings are not allowed to ride that low to the ground, if they were they would be made at that height from the get go. Also for a wing to physically be touching the ground requires flexing of some form, so wing flexing tests are there to stop that as well. If wings were allowed to to flex as much as they liked then there wouldnt be wing flexing tests would there!?

Where is the rule that says 'the wing must remain above 25mm off the ground at all times' then?!?! This is my point!

The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane, which is the lowest point of the car without the plank.
Source

Any more questions...

That 10mm flex only applies under the load test conditions. So i don't have any more questions, just my original unanswered one.

Very sorry Scott, but you can't just add to that sentence. It has a period at the end. It does not say anything about only applying to the load test. It says "The front wing must be no lower than 75mm above the reference plane"

As I said, any more questions ....

Where is the 'at all times' part here?

Honestly, that is just plain silly - should it also say
-teams can have a maximum of 2 cars ..... "at all times"
- engines must not rev above 18K ........ "at all times"
- cars must be 640Kgs ...... "at all times"
- cars must have independent front and rear braking systems ..... "at all times"

Given that there is some built-in flex allowed - yes!
And if I remember correctly, the minimum weight is (or used to be) indeed specified as 'at all times' - that's what brought BAR down with their hidden fuel compartment, as they couldn't prove that their cars were above the minimum weight at all times during the race. So, me thinks, anything that is allowed to vary needs some sort of specification as to what the minimum/maximum is/are at all times.

[spankyham]

And if I remember correctly, the minimum weight is (or used to be) indeed specified as 'at all times' - that's what brought BAR down with their hidden fuel compartment, as they couldn't prove that their cars were above the minimum weight at all times during the race. So, me thinks, anything that is allowed to vary needs some sort of specification as to what the minimum/maximum is/are at all times.

Exactly, if there's a variance, then it's specified, if nothing is specified, there's no variance. Quite simple actually.

[nish2280]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

News Flash!!! You can apply a lateral force in ways other than a wind tunnel. Here's just one totally crazy "off the wall thought" you see in the picture I posted (of the current FW flex test), how they apply the downward force to the wing now, do ya thunk they could ever invent a way to do that sideways?

Na na, you're right, wind tunnel is the simpler way to go

The FIA can have their designated wind tunnel, probably based somewhere in europe, where all teams must have their components homologated before being sent out to the appropriate track.