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[LewEngBridewell]

His lacking in driving is from 29 grid spot penalties and about 30 seconds added to his pitstops. We'd be seeing Hamilton ahead in the WDC currently by a comfy 30 point lead. There's still time for McLaren to tidy things up in the garage for both of their drivers.

Thankfully, the consistency of McLaren's rivals has also been totally naff. All is far from lost yet. But the team need to shake a leg, immediately!

[calvins48]

So, Lewis Hamilton has been voted the 15th greatest driver of all time by the BBC F1 team... ahead of the likes of Nelson Piquet, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jack Brabham, Graham Hill and Jochen Rindt.

15th? Already? It's surely too early to put him on the list!

Alonso should be ahead of him for sure! Alonso is the best overall driver on the grid at the moment.

How can you be sure? From what I've seen, both drivers have taken their cars to the limits in every race with no mistakes, while Ferrari has maximized their opportunities, McLaren have minimized theirs as much as possible.

Huh?

I was talking about overall ability.

I respect your opinion, but out of curiousity where do you think Lewis is lacking compared to Alonso in driving ability? This is not a challenge mind you, I'm just curious.

I think Lewis' 2011 season changed my opinion slightly of him. While I know that that season was barred by the tragic events in his personal life, he made stupid errors on the circuit and I feel that if Alonso was in that same situation, he may have been more mature about it. Alonso is what? Almost 10 years older than Hamilton, so that might have something to do with it.

The fastest driver on the grid is Hamilton. But the most complete driver for me is Alonso. He is, after all, ahead of Lewis in the title race at the moment. And in an inferior car. However, that is partly down to the fact that McLaren have no idea what they're doing and Ferrari know exactly what they're doing when it comes to race day.

Alonso (while he can be a baby at times) just seems more complete to me. But I think a lot of it has to do with his time in the sport. This year we're seeing the Lewis of '07 and '08 peaking his head round the corner and if he carries on like that then I don't see anything wrong with rating Lewis higher than Fernando in a few years time.

[calvins48]

lol at Lewis at the end of the Driver's Press Conference.

As he got up when the conference ended, he said under his breath, "That's an uncomfortable chair." Haha! Speaking his mind as usual.

[racechick]

On Gary Anderson's supergrid in autosport Lewis is now two car lengths ahead of everyone else.

Out of interest the rest of the grid looks like this.

Two car lengths behind Lewis and staggered closely

Rosberg
Button
Grosjean
Webber
Vettel
Schumacher

Car lengths gap then the next staggered group

Raikonen
Alonso
Perez
Maldonado
Kobyashi
Ricciardo
Hulkenberg/ Di Resta (almost the same)
Massa
Senna

cars length gap

Vergne

about 6 car's length gap

Kovalainen

another cars gap

Petrov (half off the double page spread)

Glock,Pic,De la Rosa and Karthikeyan right off the page

[calvins48]

On Gary Anderson's supergrid in autosport Lewis is now two car lengths ahead of everyone else.

Out of interest the rest of the grid looks like this.

Two car lengths behind Lewis and staggered closely

Rosberg
Button
Grosjean
Webber
Vettel
Schumacher

Car lengths gap then the next staggered group

Raikonen
Alonso
Perez
Maldonado
Kobyashi
Ricciardo
Hulkenberg/ Di Resta (almost the same)
Massa
Senna

cars length gap

Vergne

about 6 car's length gap

Kovalainen

another cars gap

Petrov (half off the double page spread)

Glock,Pic,De la Rosa and Karthikeyan right off the page

How does this "supergrid" work exactly?

[racechick]

Ive explained it before, its difficult to explain without the picture. I'll quote the bitfrom the magazine that explains it

"Autosport's technical correspondant Gary Anderson is compiling an index, created by taking each driver's percentage deficit to the outright pace over the season, using their best lap from each grand prix weekend. This graphic(picture of little cars on a grid) shows each driver's average after five races compared to the theoretical absolute pace, which is expressed as 100."

Mouthfull isnt it Its better when you see the picture. As an example Lewis' percentage is 100.127 the next car Rosberg is 100.578 Vettel is 100.725 Alonso is 101.134 At the very back Karthikeyan is 107.525

[calvins48]

Ive explained it before, its difficult to explain without the picture. I'll quote the bitfrom the magazine that explains it

"Autosport's technical correspondant Gary Anderson is compiling an index, created by taking each driver's percentage deficit to the outright pace over the season, using their best lap from each grand prix weekend. This graphic(picture of little cars on a grid) shows each driver's average after five races compared to the theoretical absolute pace, which is expressed as 100."

Mouthfull isnt it Its better when you see the picture. As an example Lewis' percentage is 100.127 the next car Rosberg is 100.578 Vettel is 100.725 Alonso is 101.134 At the very back Karthikeyan is 107.525

Ah, I see!

Cool stuff!

[CookinFlat6]

2 car lengths ahead of a world champion in the same car is pretty telling, even Vettel is nowhere near that much faster than his teammate and we all know what Seb did to him last year in the battle

At Monaco Jenson went fastest in FP2, so he has no excuses come quali that he cant find the grip or balance

[vaptin]

Ive explained it before, its difficult to explain without the picture. I'll quote the bitfrom the magazine that explains it

"Autosport's technical correspondant Gary Anderson is compiling an index, created by taking each driver's percentage deficit to the outright pace over the season, using their best lap from each grand prix weekend. This graphic(picture of little cars on a grid) shows each driver's average after five races compared to the theoretical absolute pace, which is expressed as 100."

Mouthfull isnt it Its better when you see the picture. As an example Lewis' percentage is 100.127 the next car Rosberg is 100.578 Vettel is 100.725 Alonso is 101.134 At the very back Karthikeyan is 107.525

I'm not sure it means that much, is he comparing qualifying times (which surely would be the best lap over the race weekend) with the average lap time in the race then?

[Jabberwocky]

Ive explained it before, its difficult to explain without the picture. I'll quote the bitfrom the magazine that explains it

"Autosport's technical correspondant Gary Anderson is compiling an index, created by taking each driver's percentage deficit to the outright pace over the season, using their best lap from each grand prix weekend. This graphic(picture of little cars on a grid) shows each driver's average after five races compared to the theoretical absolute pace, which is expressed as 100."

Mouthfull isnt it Its better when you see the picture. As an example Lewis' percentage is 100.127 the next car Rosberg is 100.578 Vettel is 100.725 Alonso is 101.134 At the very back Karthikeyan is 107.525

I'm not sure it means that much, is he comparing qualifying times (which surely would be the best lap over the race weekend) with the average lap time in the race then?

I think that they are comparing a drivers fastest lap against the fastest lap of the race.

[Jabberwocky]

On Gary Anderson's supergrid in autosport Lewis is now two car lengths ahead of everyone else.

Out of interest the rest of the grid looks like this.

Two car lengths behind Lewis and staggered closely

Rosberg
Button
Grosjean
Webber
Vettel
Schumacher

Car lengths gap then the next staggered group

Raikonen
Alonso
Perez
Maldonado
Kobyashi
Ricciardo
Hulkenberg/ Di Resta (almost the same)
Massa
Senna

cars length gap

Vergne

about 6 car's length gap

Kovalainen

another cars gap

Petrov (half off the double page spread)

Glock,Pic,De la Rosa and Karthikeyan right off the page

I am amazed that Grosjean is so high up where for the first few races his fastest laps would of been set in a very heavy car

[killem2]

At Monaco Jenson went fastest in FP2, so he has no excuses come quali that he cant find the grip or balance

Yes because they always setup everything exactly the same in practice and qualifying, and of course race conditions will be exactly the same.

Pathetic.

[CookinFlat6]

Nope, its now simply a matter of setup, there is nothing wrong with the car around this circuit.

A top driver should not be able to use setup as an excuse from now till the flag, especially not a veteran like Jenson

[andrew]

Actually yes they can - think about it. Say it is pouring rain all through practice and qualifying but come race day it's dry and a right roaster of a day then the set up used before the race will be useless. The same goes for less extreme changes in the weather conditions.

[CookinFlat6]

Setup changes are allowed especially for rain, anyway its the same for everyone else, yes some cars might suffer proportionally more but still it shouldn't be the reason for a top driver to have the type of drive he had last time out