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Where does it say that mods are supposed to set an example? We're fans first, do you think I show up here hoping that today is the that you follow the mod's example? It clearly hasn't worked since you have an affinity for going against the grain just because.

In any case, we're all in rare agreement that McLaren is no longer over performing because they lack a certain something.

[bud]

Grown men know there is no self respect without honour, therefore I'll get paid or have 1 less to bother with whose word is meaningless and therefore worthless

Win win

my god you're one sad human being!

Where does it say that mods are supposed to set an example? We're fans first, do you think I show up here hoping that today is the that you follow the mod's example? It clearly hasn't worked since you have an affinity for going against the grain just because.

In any case, we're all in rare agreement that McLaren is no longer over performing because they lack a certain something.

It's all fun and games until someone says something you dislike about Lewis though WB

[CookinFlat6]

Grown men know there is no self respect without honour, therefore I'll get paid or have 1 less to bother with whose word is meaningless and therefore worthless

Win win

my god you're one sad human being!

[Hammer278]

Grown men know there is no self respect without honour, therefore I'll get paid or have 1 less to bother with whose word is meaningless and therefore worthless

Win win

my god you're one sad human being!

Where does it say that mods are supposed to set an example? We're fans first, do you think I show up here hoping that today is the that you follow the mod's example? It clearly hasn't worked since you have an affinity for going against the grain just because.

In any case, we're all in rare agreement that McLaren is no longer over performing because they lack a certain something.

It's all fun and games until someone says something you dislike about Lewis though WB

Don't you ever get tired of being a complete loser? Coming back like a twerp with cheap comebacks and talking sh*t about the forum and STILL posting here! Geez man....get a life...hop on that imaginary bike you spoke of and get some fresh air already lol.

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It's all fun and games until someone says something you dislike about Lewis though WB

...and you're different when someone defiles the McLaren name?

All I expect is to be able to factually back up what someone tries to pass off as a fact. Not too much to ask for is it?

[CookinFlat6]

Grown men know there is no self respect without honour, therefore I'll get paid or have 1 less to bother with whose word is meaningless and therefore worthless

Win win

my god you're one sad human being!

Where does it say that mods are supposed to set an example? We're fans first, do you think I show up here hoping that today is the that you follow the mod's example? It clearly hasn't worked since you have an affinity for going against the grain just because.

In any case, we're all in rare agreement that McLaren is no longer over performing because they lack a certain something.

It's all fun and games until someone says something you dislike about Lewis though WB

Don't you ever get tired of being a complete loser? Coming back like a twerp with cheap comebacks and talking sh*t about the forum and STILL posting here! Geez man....get a life...hop on that imaginary bike you spoke of and get some fresh air already lol.

its even lower than a mere loser, as if the cheap one line 'comebacks' that have no relevance to anything are going to suddenly make people forget what a loser he is and what a bunch of crap he shouted down on various members like the cowardly bully he is

complete spineless joker

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Figured I'd share these, as expected they're TG funny and pretty accurate in their assessment so far.

TOPGEAR It is a measure of just how dark is the cloud hanging over McLaren in it’s 50th year, that when I looked at this season’s results, they actually surprised me. Though the team trails Force India by two points at the half-way mark and its drivers Jenson Button and Sergio Perez are ninth and 12th in their championship, I had thought things were actually a lot worse, so long have been the faces on the team, so little have the cars been part of the action this year, except maybe when they’ve been trying to knock each other of the race track.

That’s how this season feels for McLaren, its first without Lewis Hamilton since 2006; a shockingly difficult car to drive thanks to a bold but mistaken switch in front suspension design, and two drivers with way too much to prove and whose agendas are getting in the way of getting things fixed.

In the circumstances Button’s 39points from a series of gritty but largely lonely strategic drives and his seven appearances in Q3 doesn’t look so bad. And Perez’s mere 18 points, four appearances in Q3 and deficit to JB in qualifying generally gives the lie to the notion that Button is being eclipsed this year.

But… Last year McLaren build a crackingly good racing car. It was comfortably the fastest at the start of the season and comfortably the fastest at the end. It should have given Lewis Hamilton his second title and maybe an incentive to stay at the team. And yet it delivered no silverware, exposed the team’s poor racecraft, blew apart the notion that McLaren are the non plus ultra when it comes to in-season development and most certainly played a part in the loss not only of Hamilton but of Paddy Lowe, the team’s technical director, who has followed Hamilton to Mercedes.

It’s not hard to spot which team has the quick car right now, nor the fact that team is very obviously moving forward, turning pace in to points… and possibly even a title.

To get back to a theme that’s cropped up more than once as we’ve compiled these half term reports, maybe McLaren’s greatest failing is its own inability to translate the pace of the MP4-27 into the MP4-28 chassis. Remember back in Australia, when McLaren went on record to say they would not be reverting to last year’s car like they actually considered doing so?. The team has more of an excuse than others: the radical switch to pull rod front suspension, for one. Then again, they must have been aware of the problems Ferrari faced in 2012, having adopted the same solution.

Jenson Button is talking up the team’s chances for this weekend in Belgium. He was in a class of his own last year, frightening Hamilton in to all those worried tweets. It’s typical of Button, who has, on all but one occasion, kept the upper lip tight. He’s certainly not shirking his responsibility to lead the team from the front.

But this season, straight off the back of last year’s appalling missed opportunity, suggests it is going to take more than a few Keep Calm and Carry On mugs and weekly staff meetings. So much of what McLaren stands for seems to be in question right now. When you have a brand — a brand from which a nascent road car business takes succour, and a commercial department that needs to sell to Vodafone’s replacement — that’s a problem. And when you are the sheer size of McLaren those problems are only amplified and need fixing. I would be amazed if the team McLaren races with next year, its last with Mercedes ahead of its debut with Honda in 2015, will be the same team as finishes this season, no matter what happens from this weekend onwards.

Half term grades

McLaren: C

Button: B Plus

Perez: B

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Unlocking the topic, but let's keep from the same ol' same ol' please. I think we've said enough that does not need repeating.

[CookinFlat6]

He was in a class of his own last year, frightening Hamilton in to all those worried tweets.

Shockingly lazy reporting from TG here, obviously not written by Jezza. How was Lewis frightened? More like he was uncharacteristically defying his team to publisce an important fact

The traces proved that he drove better than Button, kept his foot down longer and better maximised the car round the lap, the difference was that his car was much slower in sector 1 and 3, and barely better in sector 2

Proving that the benefit of the low drag wing given to Button outweighed the high downforce one he was given and told that the benefit in sector 2 equaled Buttons gain

That info was completely not true, one solution was way better and a team with good intentions would have known that and given both the correct info.

And that, you silly sausage at TG, is why Lewis finally flipped and left

[Hammer278]

He was in a class of his own last year, frightening Hamilton in to all those worried tweets. It’s typical of Button,

[CookinFlat6]

It’s typical of Button, who has, on all but one occasion, kept the upper lip tight.

But boy, on that occasion how he let that lip quiver like a lump of yellow jelly

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[Jabberwocky]

Honestly guys do you not get bored continously writing this crap over and over again. Lets face it pretty much the every post you put up is anti button or mclaren. Just move of with your lived ffs!

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[CookinFlat6]

Its never boring voicing ones opinion on the latest doctored news report propaganda from the establishment.

Should we accept everything we are told for the sake of 'fitting in' or 'not rocking the boat'?

Should we accept it as true when big brother tells us there is no adverse radiation from mobile phones or that there is no significant climate change because they produce a news item in the media?

Whats next, those pointing out that the emperor has no clothes on to be censured and forced to seek asylum in a South American embassy?

Edit: F1 is almost back, track action will give us more interesting things to opine upon

[Jabberwocky]

I have no problem with people questioning the media or what have you. However you might find that F1 is more than lewis hamilton, his chosen team at the time, and his old team mate and team.

How about looking at other teams and drivers!?!?!

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