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[racechick]

Hamilton had to wait 4 days for his PR people to come up with a good speech for him!

He needs to fire them then, because it wasn't very good. He didn't actually apologise and claimed he was misled (Which makes no logical sense given the fact that he was the one who performed the disputed action, namely letting Trulli past).

It was essentially the equivalent of the schoolboy crying to the headteacher "Please don't punish me sir...I didn't mean no harm sir...An older boy told me to do it sir".

Pitiful. Absolutely pathetic.

He did apologise

[8-ball]

what gets me about this whole thing is Anthony Hamilton running around (talking to Mad Max of all people)

WTF has this to do with me???

LOL

[Denthúl]

Very well said.

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

I don't get it. You're happy to throw a man whose been with McLaren, with (By most accounts) a spotless record, for decades to the wolves whether it was his idea or not, but Lewis Hamilton gets a free pass because he claims he was misled (Once again, what does that mean? He knew what happened because he did it) despite a history of defying the team for his own ends?

Your lack of compassion for Dave is as insidious as your inability to accept that Hamilton did wrong.

Not a McLaren fan, but a Lewis fan. That pretty much answers every question you will ask her regarding Dave Ryan.

You both miss the point entirely Im putting the viewpoint from MCLAREN not myself. Im incredibly sorry for Ryan as I would be if Lewis had been suspended.Both were in it . Both did wrong and MCLAREN took the decision to limit damage by suspending Ryan.
My own personal perspective Ive stated time over, but my own perspective is irrelevant here.


Yes I am formost a Lewis fan, whats wrong with that? Ive never claimed any different, but McLaren are also my favourite team.

By that logic Mclaren should have suspended Hamilton then?
I mean that wouldn't be a big blow anyways seeing as the team languish near the back at this moment. Maybe replacing him with De la Rosa for a few races will maybe teach him some respect.

I really canot follow this logic. Having shot themselves in the foot once you think McLaren should do so again by taking hamilton out of the race seat??

They dropped a valuable team member, so why not drop Lewis? It's not like there's a shortage of talented drivers to take over.

Hamilton had to wait 4 days for his PR people to come up with a good speech for him!

He needs to fire them then, because it wasn't very good. He didn't actually apologise and claimed he was misled (Which makes no logical sense given the fact that he was the one who performed the disputed action, namely letting Trulli past).

It was essentially the equivalent of the schoolboy crying to the headteacher "Please don't punish me sir...I didn't mean no harm sir...An older boy told me to do it sir".

Pitiful. Absolutely pathetic.

He did apologise

That means absolutely nothing. I have kids in my office every week apologising for whatever misuse of the IT system, but they don't mean it.

[McLaren Fan]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Whose decision it was is unimportant. The fact is both Ryan and Hamilton are complicit in this. Getting rid of Ryan may seem the smart thing to do, but it's not what you do to somebody who's been at the team for the best part of forty years. And, let's remember, the FIA could summon Ryan to Paris. If he felt suitably aggrieved, he could spill the beans on McLaren's immoral plan of sacrifice.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

If it was Hamilton's intent to lie than why didn't he start lying as soon as he got out of the car? Why would he have told the truth to the press and then change his story in front of the stewards? He changed his story after his team talked to him before the meeting with the stewards. If Hamilton Lied because he thought it was a good idea, than why would he be so unhappy with team management right now? I'd think he'd be rather happy with them for picking someone else to take the fall.

Irrelevant: Hamilton lied. He should be punished by McLaren. The end.

[8-ball]

They dropped a valuable team member, so why not drop Lewis? It's not like there's a shortage of talented drivers to take over.

Because they will have a £75 million contract to pay off. As much as I and most other people don't like it - it made better business sense to get rid of Dave Ryan. The pay off better be substantial for him otherwise he can create much more trouble for the team and Lewis with some memoirs that are probably being penned as we speak.

[Denthúl]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

[csrracer]

If it was Hamilton's intent to lie than why didn't he start lying as soon as he got out of the car? Why would he have told the truth to the press and then change his story in front of the stewards? He changed his story after his team talked to him before the meeting with the stewards. If Hamilton Lied because he thought it was a good idea, than why would he be so unhappy with team management right now? I'd think he'd be rather happy with them for picking someone else to take the fall.

Then if he did not want to lie, he should not have done so. And after that, he had four days to come clean about it. It's quite clear that he felt no remorse for what he had done to Trulli.

Exactly!!

The 4 days have nothing to do with it, If Mclaren tells him to continue lying he'll continue lying.
I'm a little fuzzy on your insight into Hamilton's emotions towards Trulli. Do you know for a fact that he doesn't feel bad for Trulli ? Did he make any sort of statement to the press or to you saying he doesn't feel bad or are you just speculating?

[csrracer]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

[Denthúl]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

No. I think the McLaren management are foolish for thinking that Hamilton is irreplaceable. Again, the following instructions part does not fly with me. He has not followed every instruction given to him by the McLaren management, so there is absolutely nothing to say that there's no way he would not have followed this one.

[csrracer]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

No. I think the McLaren management are foolish for thinking that Hamilton is irreplaceable. Again, the following instructions part does not fly with me. He has not followed every instruction given to him by the McLaren management, so there is absolutely nothing to say that there's no way he would not have followed this one.

I guess I'll be happy that you agree with me, that "Mclaren's management is foolish."
Of course Hamiltons replaceable, he's just not replaceable with anyone as fast.

[Denthúl]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

No. I think the McLaren management are foolish for thinking that Hamilton is irreplaceable. Again, the following instructions part does not fly with me. He has not followed every instruction given to him by the McLaren management, so there is absolutely nothing to say that there's no way he would not have followed this one.

I guess I'll be happy that you agree with me, that "Mclaren's management is foolish."
Of course Hamiltons replaceable, he's just not replaceable with anyone as fast.

Vettel could do the job and make Mercedes happy. Rosberg is much the same. Di Resta, Senna, Di Grassi are all worth a look, as are Paffet and even Davidson. Hamilton isn't leaps and bounds above any of those. He may be a little faster, but that's about it.

[csrracer]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

No. I think the McLaren management are foolish for thinking that Hamilton is irreplaceable. Again, the following instructions part does not fly with me. He has not followed every instruction given to him by the McLaren management, so there is absolutely nothing to say that there's no way he would not have followed this one.

I guess I'll be happy that you agree with me, that "Mclaren's management is foolish."
Of course Hamiltons replaceable, he's just not replaceable with anyone as fast.

[csrracer]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

No. I think the McLaren management are foolish for thinking that Hamilton is irreplaceable. Again, the following instructions part does not fly with me. He has not followed every instruction given to him by the McLaren management, so there is absolutely nothing to say that there's no way he would not have followed this one.

I guess I'll be happy that you agree with me, that "Mclaren's management is foolish."
Of course Hamiltons replaceable, he's just not replaceable with anyone as fast.

Vettel could do the job and make Mercedes happy. Rosberg is much the same. Di Resta, Senna, Di Grassi are all worth a look, as are Paffet and even Davidson. Hamilton isn't leaps and bounds above any of those. He may be a little faster, but that's about it.

So if you were Mclaren's manager you would drop your Star WDC driver that you coached and brought into F1 for millions of dollars because he went along with the Team's lie? Then replace your investment with someone slower
all because Hamilton's a team player? You would Let another team scoop up your driving investment over an incident that the team blames it's own management for..... and you call them foolish.

[Denthúl]

I have another thought on this. Just supposing it was all Lewis' decision to lie and he told Ryan to agree with him. Then as a senior manager Ryan's behaviour was very poor. Lets continue on this assumption. Lewis asked Ryan to lie(despite just telling the press the opposite), but anyway they continue with this until sommoned again to the stewards. At this point whether they were aware before or not you can be damn sure McLaren top brass were aware now of the situation. So they go into damage limitation mode. Now who is the most expendable? A guy fairly close to retirement in a management position or a world champion top line driver??? This is no disrespect to Ryan, his abilities or his loyalties. Its common sense.This is big business not a Sunday school picnic. So they make their decision. Pay Ryan off and try to limit the damage.

Now to Lewis. People say he has not been punished enough and he should take more blame. What do you suggest he does?.Goes to the FIA and asks to be suspended? Refuses to take any more points this season? McLaren wouldnt let either of those things happen because he's the only one at the moment able to score any points for them.

Hamilton has been punished adequately by the FIA. It's up to McLaren to carry out its own internal discipline.

I would bet all of this month's wage that they don't, mind you.

Of course they won't .. He was only doing what Management told him to do why would he get punished for that?
Does this mean you're seeing my side of it now?

No. I think the McLaren management are foolish for thinking that Hamilton is irreplaceable. Again, the following instructions part does not fly with me. He has not followed every instruction given to him by the McLaren management, so there is absolutely nothing to say that there's no way he would not have followed this one.

I guess I'll be happy that you agree with me, that "Mclaren's management is foolish."
Of course Hamiltons replaceable, he's just not replaceable with anyone as fast.

Vettel could do the job and make Mercedes happy. Rosberg is much the same. Di Resta, Senna, Di Grassi are all worth a look, as are Paffet and even Davidson. Hamilton isn't leaps and bounds above any of those. He may be a little faster, but that's about it.

So if you were Mclaren's manager you would drop your Star WDC driver that you coached and brought into F1 for millions of dollars because he went along with the Team's lie? Then replace your investment with someone slower
all because Hamilton's a team player? You would Let another team scoop up your driving investment over an incident that the team blames it's own management for..... and you call them foolish.

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

[Jensonb]

Hamilton had to wait 4 days for his PR people to come up with a good speech for him!

He needs to fire them then, because it wasn't very good. He didn't actually apologise and claimed he was misled (Which makes no logical sense given the fact that he was the one who performed the disputed action, namely letting Trulli past).

It was essentially the equivalent of the schoolboy crying to the headteacher "Please don't punish me sir...I didn't mean no harm sir...An older boy told me to do it sir".

Pitiful. Absolutely pathetic.

He did apologise

No, he said he was sorry, then passed the buck. He accepted no liability, that is not an apology.