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[texasmr2]

I sometimes wounder if the F1 PR people come up with completely silly ideas like this to keep the interest of the fans in the off season

I was wondering the same...

To be honest, watching Formula One is enough to turn anybody into a Marxist, with notions of ideological state apparatus and licenced dissent etc.

Woah! Where did THIS come from???
I don't see much of exploitation of the workers in F1 - they are remunerated quite handily...

There is much more to Marxism than just Communism. Marx's political theory is based on a lot and expresses many philosophical positions. His work was influenced heavily by the dialectical theories of Hegel. Marx's work has been taken on my many scholars since, particularly in History, Philosophy and Literature. For example, the theory that people are influenced by their conditions of existence (Materialism) traces its routes back to Marx. So, very broadly speaking, you have Marxist economic theories and Marxist philosophical theories. Both are not mutually exclusive; so it is possible to agree with one and not the other. I don't agree with the vast majority of Marx's economics but I feel many of his philosophical theories have a lot of mileage in them. One of those theories is about ideological state apparatuses, propounded by the Marxist philosopher Althusser.

Damn I never expected to be learned here only abused, dont life funny sometimes?

[darwin dali]

I sometimes wounder if the F1 PR people come up with completely silly ideas like this to keep the interest of the fans in the off season

I was wondering the same...

To be honest, watching Formula One is enough to turn anybody into a Marxist, with notions of ideological state apparatus and licenced dissent etc.

Woah! Where did THIS come from???
I don't see much of exploitation of the workers in F1 - they are remunerated quite handily...

There is much more to Marxism than just Communism. Marx's political theory is based on a lot and expresses many philosophical positions. His work was influenced heavily by the dialectical theories of Hegel. Marx's work has been taken on my many scholars since, particularly in History, Philosophy and Literature. For example, the theory that people are influenced by their conditions of existence (Materialism) traces its routes back to Marx. So, very broadly speaking, you have Marxist economic theories and Marxist philosophical theories. Both are not mutually exclusive; so it is possible to agree with one and not the other. I don't agree with the vast majority of Marx's economics but I feel many of his philosophical theories have a lot of mileage in them. One of those theories is about ideological state apparatuses, propounded by the Marxist philosopher Althusser.

I was referring to the commonly used definition of Marxism:
the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx ; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.
While dialectical materialism is listed, it's surrounded and drowned out by many of the 'classic' slogans one commonly associates with Marxism. Silly me...

[McLaren Fan]

I was referring to the commonly used definition of Marxism:
the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx ; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.
While dialectical materialism is listed, it's surrounded and drowned out by many of the 'classic' slogans one commonly associates with Marxism. Silly me...

If you're interested, this is a good article with which to start: http://www.marxists.org/reference/archi ... eology.htm

You know you want to.

[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

The F1 teams' alliance FOTA last Thursday kicked off discussions about Bernie Ecclestone's proposals for an Olympic Games-style 'medals' scoring system.

The 78-year-old F1 chief executive seems to have jumped the gun recently, when he declared that "all the teams are happy ... and the FIA are happy" to proceed with his idea to ditch the current system of awarding drivers' points down to eighth place.

A discussion among the teams actually commenced only in Geneva last Thursday, meaning it is not known if Ecclestone's concept will have the requisite support when the World Motor Sport Council meets in the coming days.

"We are discussing this issue in FOTA and we have not come to a clear opinion as yet," BMW Sauber team boss Mario Theissen told DNA India in an interview.

"However, we will soon come to a joint conclusion and respond to Bernie's proposal. It won't be fair to express an opinion now," the German said.

In the wake of Honda's shock announcement on Friday that it is leaving the sport, FIA President Max Mosley ridiculed the idea of shaking up the points system as akin to worrying about "the colour of the wallpaper when you're on a sinking ship."

He subsequently told the Press Association: "I'd be inclined to go for medals, but I'd really like to listen to what everybody says about it because when you make these big changes, sometimes there are unintended consequences."

"My real preference would be to ask the public. I think we ought to do a bit of market research," said Mosley.

© CAPSIS International
Source: GMM

Formula One and asking the fans. This is a new idea anyway.

[bud]

sinking ship huh Max, and i guess youre the captain so youll be going down with it? is that a hint youre not leaving when you said you would

[Jensonb]

From F1 Live:

The F1 teams' alliance FOTA last Thursday kicked off discussions about Bernie Ecclestone's proposals for an Olympic Games-style 'medals' scoring system.

The 78-year-old F1 chief executive seems to have jumped the gun recently, when he declared that "all the teams are happy ... and the FIA are happy" to proceed with his idea to ditch the current system of awarding drivers' points down to eighth place.

A discussion among the teams actually commenced only in Geneva last Thursday, meaning it is not known if Ecclestone's concept will have the requisite support when the World Motor Sport Council meets in the coming days.

"We are discussing this issue in FOTA and we have not come to a clear opinion as yet," BMW Sauber team boss Mario Theissen told DNA India in an interview.

"However, we will soon come to a joint conclusion and respond to Bernie's proposal. It won't be fair to express an opinion now," the German said.

In the wake of Honda's shock announcement on Friday that it is leaving the sport, FIA President Max Mosley ridiculed the idea of shaking up the points system as akin to worrying about "the colour of the wallpaper when you're on a sinking ship."

He subsequently told the Press Association: "I'd be inclined to go for medals, but I'd really like to listen to what everybody says about it because when you make these big changes, sometimes there are unintended consequences."

"My real preference would be to ask the public. I think we ought to do a bit of market research," said Mosley.

© CAPSIS International
Source: GMM

Formula One and asking the fans. This is a new idea anyway.

lol, True 'nuf MF

[7UpJordan]

"My real preference would be to ask the public. I think we ought to do a bit of market research," said Mosley.

© CAPSIS International
Source: GMM

Formula One and asking the fans. This is a new idea anyway.

Wow nice one Max, why didn't you think this idea up 10 years ago when you first introduced narrow cars and grooved tyres?

[FerrariFan63]

Formula One and asking the fans. This is a new idea anyway.

Wow nice one Max, why didn't you think this idea up 10 years ago when you first introduced narrow cars and grooved tyres?[/quote]

Didn't they have something a few years ago where they asked the public to vote on certain issues, then went right ahead and ignored the result? I'm sure I remember voting.

[darwin dali]

In the wake of Honda's shock announcement on Friday that it is leaving the sport, FIA President Max Mosley ridiculed the idea of shaking up the points system as akin to worrying about "the colour of the wallpaper when you're on a sinking ship."

He subsequently told the Press Association: "I'd be inclined to go for medals, but I'd really like to listen to what everybody says about it because when you make these big changes, sometimes there are unintended consequences."

"My real preference would be to ask the public. I think we ought to do a bit of market research," said Mosley.

© CAPSIS International
Source: GMM[/i]

'Color of the wallpaper' or 'these big changes' - so what is it MM???

[8-ball]

Formula One and asking the fans. This is a new idea anyway.

Wow nice one Max, why didn't you think this idea up 10 years ago when you first introduced narrow cars and grooved tyres?

Didn't they have something a few years ago where they asked the public to vote on certain issues, then went right ahead and ignored the result? I'm sure I remember voting.[/quote]

Max is maneuvering himself for re-election by putting out these clever soundbytes to make him seem like a sane member of society.

Your not fooling me Mad Max

[darwin dali]

Formula One and asking the fans. This is a new idea anyway.
Wow nice one Max, why didn't you think this idea up 10 years ago when you first introduced narrow cars and grooved tyres?

Didn't they have something a few years ago where they asked the public to vote on certain issues, then went right ahead and ignored the result? I'm sure I remember voting.

Max is maneuvering himself for re-election by putting out these clever soundbytes to make him seem like a sane member of society.

Your not fooling me Mad Max

At least we have to give him credit for seeing the writing on the wall and trying to do something about the exploding costs in F1 before most everybody else.

[rleggett]

All

After today's meeting, the decision on the new ridiculous medals system has been deferred. The FIA are conducting a survey of fans, and this is now on line at http://www.formula1.com

I owuld encourage everyone to express their opinion (i.e. vote no!!!).

Rob

[7UpJordan]

I've made my vote for the good of F1.

[McLaren Fan]

All

After today's meeting, the decision on the new ridiculous medals system has been deferred. The FIA are conducting a survey of fans, and this is now on line at http://www.formula1.com

I owuld encourage everyone to express their opinion (i.e. vote no!!!).

Rob

Thanks for pointing that out.

[8-ball]

I'm taking all bets that the FIA completely disregard the results of the poll!