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[CookinFlat6]

McLaren have cheated in the past as well too, shall we label Ron Dennis a cheat too?
Or shall we just agree that all top teams and drivers push the rules to their advantage and in their pursuit for victory sometimes push the rules too far

You probably knowslightly more that the other guy so please refer to the reply above

Ok then, Einstein, please give me an example of when Ferrari have been disqualified or penalised for cheating. I can give two examples for McLaren. 2007 (the biggest cheating scandal either) and 2009 Australia. The only DQ involving Ferrari was Schumacher, and that was nothing to do with the team. It was a mistake by Schumacher that he later admitted he regretted.

Is this a trick question???
are you serious???
Ok the joke is on me, but whats the punch line
You gotta stop relying on Wiki for everything
Ok lets start with the basics - you want a DQ or penalty for cheating? How about evidence of cheating? We dont actually need the ferrari FIA to issue a penalty or for the ferrari stooge Todt to issue a penalty. We just need proof that they cheated. Which I will provide starting with the basics
You can then say it wasnt cheating by proving it wasnt cheating, in this case I would expect a statement from the FIA or a tribunal to categorically state that they were not cheating - like I did with Merc

That is not to say that there is something fundamentally crooked about the team from Maranello – in fact their best defence may well be that their cheating on Sunday, and its shoddy aftermath, was so splendidly maladroit, so heroically and naively hamfisted, that underneath all the Clouseau clumsiness there must somewhere lurk a sheepish honesty.

Team orders which interfere with the race were banned in 2002 after, yes, Ferrari ordered Rubens Barrichello to move over for Michael Schumacher. Many hoary paddock voices say the rule is unworkable and is flouted on a regular basis the entire length of the pitlane.

But the problem for F1 in general and Ferrari in particular is that what happened on Sunday represented the worst aspect of cheating. We are cynically resigned to the fouling footballer, to the cricketer who claims the catch even though he knows the ball has bounced or not touched the bat. But the sportsman who deliberately underachieves – who subverts the bible‑sworn evidence of our own eyes, who by decreeing that seeing is no longer believing destroys the integrity of himself, his sport and his witness – is a more sinister being altogether.

What also shames Ferrari is that the instruction to Massa was not made by the team principal himself, Stefano Domenicali, a man under intense pressure, but by the driver's trusted mechanic, the Englishman Rob Smedley.

After watching five hours of the BBC's excellent, digitally extended coverage of Sunday's race I still did not know who had won. We may not know that until next month, following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council – presided over, by the way, by the former Ferrari principal Jean Todt, who was in charge during the previous fiasco eight years ago.

So Ferrari cheated in a clumsily cynical unsporting and shameful manner - you are invited to prove they didnt

[overboost]

They cheated the rules

does this even sound half right in any way????

There seems to be an epidermic of butthurt around here leading people to do anything rather than take their slaps and withdraw gracefully

whats wrong with having integrity, you have been asked to produce any evidence or proof and all you can do is ramble on incoherently and irrationally about blahblahblah. Apologies in advance if whatever you say from now on is approached with the reasonable assumption that its similar to your effort over this simple statement of fact that I made and hthat has got you in a tizzy.

At the same time its obvious now that Red Bull are indeed the team you support , makes a lot of sense

So the truth about RBR has upset you, but they are proven cheats, there is no reason to break the laws of decency and morality, by a kneejerk handbag swing reaction of smearing Merc. It doesnt bother me I am not particularly fond of any team, I am only fixated on the truth and acting within rules we know are good for society as a whole

So RBR are cheating and no matter how many times you think it, you are talking and breaking the law with your butthurt, save it till tomorrow when Seb leaves a cheating team to go to a basket case

have this for tomoorow

That's it? That's all you've got! 'blahblahblah' and a blurry image.

Oh yes you did distance yourself from Mercedes. Probably a smart idea seeing as you can't defend their actions either last year with their illegal testing/cheating nor this season with their refusal to allow competitive racing.

As I have already pointed out the 'evidence' or 'truth' you are asking for is in your own posts. Next time I would suggest you try think first before posting to avoid looking like someone who lacks judgement or sense!

[CookinFlat6]

a blurry image?? OB, your condition may be worse than we thought, I think you need to get your bottom down to A&E pronto

[What's Burning?]

The h8rz are getting so sensitive. I mean, at least Geet just bailed instead of hanging around pretending to keep the moral high ground and trying to save face. These guys though would deny the holocaust if it suited the agenda. It's okay though, I'm a simple country boy and I've learned to tell the vintage of the manure farmers spreading in the field a half mile away. At least they have the spreading skills refined, you boys are amateurs.

It's like a running theme around here lately, just deny you ever said it they won't remember.

[racechick]

Overboost, people keep telling you that Mercedes aren't prventing anyone from competing . The failure to compete is the ineptitude of the other teams and engine manufacturers. And yet you keep coming back to this again and again.

[CookinFlat6]

Honda dont have any problem competing it seems,

And Red Bull appear to be the ones with slightly questionable ideas about competition

Anyway, for 2015, Renault engine will be at an even bigger deficit than it was in 2014 to Merc - thats now pretty obvious, i think June is the month renault expect to deliver their updated 2015 engine, so it will have to wait for 2016. So RBR will effectively cease to exist as a competitive F1 team in 2015. Without Newey and without the illegal stuff that gave them such an aero advantage they will be a bit like STR, in fact they will be exactly like STR

And Merc will win the WCC and WDC again breaking records on the way and providing top entertainment and a proper competition again.

And some fans will run out of soothing potions and continue to provide mild amusement for the MERC AMG fans

[Ferrari man 009]

McLaren have cheated in the past as well too, shall we label Ron Dennis a cheat too?
Or shall we just agree that all top teams and drivers push the rules to their advantage and in their pursuit for victory sometimes push the rules too far

You probably knowslightly more that the other guy so please refer to the reply above

Ok then, Einstein, please give me an example of when Ferrari have been disqualified or penalised for cheating. I can give two examples for McLaren. 2007 (the biggest cheating scandal either) and 2009 Australia. The only DQ involving Ferrari was Schumacher, and that was nothing to do with the team. It was a mistake by Schumacher that he later admitted he regretted.

Is this a trick question???
are you serious???
Ok the joke is on me, but whats the punch line
You gotta stop relying on Wiki for everything
Ok lets start with the basics - you want a DQ or penalty for cheating? How about evidence of cheating? We dont actually need the ferrari FIA to issue a penalty or for the ferrari stooge Todt to issue a penalty. We just need proof that they cheated. Which I will provide starting with the basics
You can then say it wasnt cheating by proving it wasnt cheating, in this case I would expect a statement from the FIA or a tribunal to categorically state that they were not cheating - like I did with Merc

That is not to say that there is something fundamentally crooked about the team from Maranello – in fact their best defence may well be that their cheating on Sunday, and its shoddy aftermath, was so splendidly maladroit, so heroically and naively hamfisted, that underneath all the Clouseau clumsiness there must somewhere lurk a sheepish honesty.

Team orders which interfere with the race were banned in 2002 after, yes, Ferrari ordered Rubens Barrichello to move over for Michael Schumacher. Many hoary paddock voices say the rule is unworkable and is flouted on a regular basis the entire length of the pitlane.

But the problem for F1 in general and Ferrari in particular is that what happened on Sunday represented the worst aspect of cheating. We are cynically resigned to the fouling footballer, to the cricketer who claims the catch even though he knows the ball has bounced or not touched the bat. But the sportsman who deliberately underachieves – who subverts the bible‑sworn evidence of our own eyes, who by decreeing that seeing is no longer believing destroys the integrity of himself, his sport and his witness – is a more sinister being altogether.

What also shames Ferrari is that the instruction to Massa was not made by the team principal himself, Stefano Domenicali, a man under intense pressure, but by the driver's trusted mechanic, the Englishman Rob Smedley.

After watching five hours of the BBC's excellent, digitally extended coverage of Sunday's race I still did not know who had won. We may not know that until next month, following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council – presided over, by the way, by the former Ferrari principal Jean Todt, who was in charge during the previous fiasco eight years ago.

So Ferrari cheated in a clumsily cynical unsporting and shameful manner - you are invited to prove they didnt

Ah, but as you know the FIA couldnt prove that a violation of the rules existed and that Ferrari were not guilty of breaking team orders rules. Ferrari found a loophole in the regulations the same as Mercedes did with the tyre test.

[racechick]

OMYGOD. THE BBC prgramme has started. I'm shaking and my tummy feels weird.

[LiamCatterson]

OMYGOD. THE BBC prgramme has started. I'm shaking and my tummy feels weird.

You're not alone!

[Nin-Chin]

Lewis just has to stay calm and not make any silly errors. He needs to survive the start and stay ahead of the Williams and he should manage ok from there, remember his long run was very good.

[cheekybru]

Sh1tting Bricks

Im getting in the chat room

[CookinFlat6]

Brundle is such a twit, Lewis cant stand him - terrible interview

[racechick]

brundle gets on my tits these days. I think I'd rather have the Eddie idiocy then the Brundle bullpoo.

[Nin-Chin]

Lewis Hamilton, speaking to Sky F1, on what will be going through his mind if he trails Nico Rosberg through the first corners:

"If I'm behind, I'm going to be wanting to win the race. I know how to get by because I've done it many times to him."

[LewEngBridewell]

This thread is already longer than the Interlagos thread I think

Enjoy the last race folks