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[Jabberwocky]

Webber really can go hog wild at the last race!! He's out of there. I bet he'll find it hard to resist if it presents itself on a plate!

I don't think that it is a good idea to race on a full stomach.

You should wait an hour after eating

[spankyham]

A good conspiracy theory, should help us pass a little time before the next piece of meat on the real F1 plate next weekend

This has been reported in quite a few Italian and at least one Spanish media outlet, but this is the first time I've seen it in English media.

 wrote:">Minardi questions legality of Vettel's RB9

Former Formula 1 team-owner Giancarlo Minardi has questioned why Sebastian Vettel was so dominant in Singapore and just how he managed to outpace team-mate Mark Webber in a supposedly identical car.

The German, who won the race with ease, was often two seconds faster than any other car during the race - not on just a few laps, but consistently.

Minardi, who was present at the race, described what he witnessed and made a comment relating to traction control which will surely fire up the conspiracy theorists.

"From my suite, I chose some mainstays as a reference point in order to monitor and compare the drivers' way of driving," he wrote in a column for Pitpass. "I was impressed by Vettel's neat way of driving on that stretch of the track. He was able to drive all that stretch without making any corrections, unlike all his rivals (also his team-mate).

"On the same stretch, Sebastian was able to [accelerate] 50 metres before any other driver, Webber included. The thing that surprised me the most was the engine's output sound. Besides speeding up 50m before any other driver, the Renault engine of the German's car grinded like no other French engines on track, neither like Mark's.

"That sound was similar to the sound made by the engine when the traction control system got into action in the past seasons," he added.

The 66-year-old can understand a small advantage, but says answers are needed as to how the three-time champion could pull away from his rivals by such a large amount each and every lap.

"It's not my intention to devalue Sebastian Vettel, who always manages his Red Bull the best way and I don't want even to jab at anyone, I just want to tell what I personally saw and heard during that three-day-event.

"According to my experience, I think that a 2.5 second advantage each lap is really too much. It's like a three-generation development gap, it's a huge gap.

"There are some aspects, Vettel's very neat way of driving, Vettel's speed-up 50m before the other drivers, the abnormal sound of the Renault engine and Vettel's more than 2 second advantage over his rivals that make me think and I would like to have some answers."

[Zekenwolf]

A good conspiracy theory, should help us pass a little time before the next piece of meat on the real F1 plate next weekend

"There are some aspects, Vettel's very neat way of driving, Vettel's speed-up 50m before the other drivers, the abnormal sound of the Renault engine and Vettel's more than 2 second advantage over his rivals that make me think and I would like to have some answers."

Answer: Vettel is really an alien from the far-off planet Protonia on a scouting mission. When he wins his 100th F1 race, the invasion will begin.

PS: Had it been any other driver, most people and media would have assumed that the Minardi boss had been out drinking with David Icke. But as he is talking about Vettel, they'll jump on this bandwagon with glee and add their own ha'penny worth.

[What's Burning?]

If there's another performance like this, I'm sure we'll see the winning car impounded post race for a long scrutineer session by the marshals. It's that or Vettel is the best F1 driver of all time, just like Lance Armstrong was the best cyclist. Looking at the onboard pole lap Vettel wasn't even pushing the car with minimal steering effort while Rosberg's lap was lunacy by comparison.

I hope Vettel is that good and Newey is that good and Webber is that bad so this is just another conspiracy theory, but it's not as if we haven't see Red Bull dominate a circuit or a run of races, and then after closer inspection of the car in the next circuit their pace is back to that of mere mortals.

[Zekenwolf]

If there's another performance like this, I'm sure we'll see the winning car impounded post race for a long scrutineer session by the marshals. It's that or Vettel is the best F1 driver of all time, just like Lance Armstrong was the best cyclist. Looking at the onboard pole lap Vettel wasn't even pushing the car with minimal steering effort while Rosberg's lap was lunacy by comparison.

I hope Vettel is that good and Newey is that good and Webber is that bad so this is just another conspiracy theory, but it's not as if we haven't see Red Bull dominate a circuit or a run of races, and then after closer inspection of the car in the next circuit their pace is back to that of mere mortals.

So, are you saying that if Vettel is unable to dominate as much as at Singapore in say, Korea, that is a good enough reason to smell a rat?
Have you considered more a logical explanation like the whole package car-driver-circuit happened to jell at Singapore? There have been other races in the past where drivers have dominated as a one-off. Gor example, Gerhard Beger was a very good but not great driver but at Hockenheim often seemed a head-and-shoulders above rest of the field.

PS: By the way WB, the significance of the object you chose for comparison, Lance Armstrong, was not lost on me. With respect, I think the insinuation is pathetic.

[What's Burning?]

Don't get all in a huff and pretend it's impossible though. Do you have any explanation for Red Bull's drop in pace last year after the adjustable ride height issue that the went through last year? Rules clearly stipulated that you could not adjust the ride height of the car in parc ferme yet it was shown that the Red Bull's height could be adjusted just like that, without using any tool. The rules clearly said that you needed a specific tool to be used to adjust the ride height to prevent just such an issue. So after the stewards started paying close attention the next race The Red Bull was a struggling for pace and had a lousy Q3.

It's a conspiracy theory when you don't have solid proof, but circumstantial evidence is circumstantial evidence, yes? I'm not saying Red Bull is suspect, but you can't be serious by saying it's beyond a team to attempt to gain an advantage, since Red Bull more than any other team clearly has over the last few season.

So tell, out of curiosity if you weren't in the throw the book at Mercedes with the tire test situation...

[Zekenwolf]

It's a conspiracy theory when you don't have solid proof, but circumstantial evidence is circumstantial evidence, yes? I'm not saying Red Bull is suspect, but you can't be serious by saying it's beyond a team to attempt to gain an advantage, since Red Bull more than any other team clearly has over the last few season.

OK, now put yourself in the shoes of Horner, Newey et al. I will not put forth the argument that Adrian Newey has been associated with F1 for over 2 decades, is highly respected for his skills and is not likely to be a party to any underhand shenanigans. But looking at the situation from the RBR point of view, do you think they would have allowed Vettel to be so blatantly dominant if they had something to hide? What better way is there to attract attention, especially considering Vettel's current position in the "popularity" stakes? It would not have been too difficult for Newey to instruct Vettel to hold station and maintain what would be considered a "reasonable" gap to the second placed car. We all know how good Vettel is at pulling away and holding station.

So tell, out of curiosity if you weren't in the throw the book at Mercedes with the tire test situation...

I confess that I was one of those who threw the book but only after it was confirmed that the test had indeed taken place. Likewise with the McLaren-Ferrari technical data scandal a few years ago. But those situations cannot be compared to the present until someone proves that Red Bull did something illegal. Until that time, such insinuations will remain in the same league to the belief that a group of shape-shifting reptilian humanoids are controlling the Earth and its inhabitants. (Courtesy Mr Icke)

[Jabberwocky]

Talkibg about ride heights. Maldonardo's Williams was sparking and grinding in qualitying. It must of been super low with a full tank

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[racechick]

The observations Minardi makes put me in mind of senna when he was out of a race and round the back of the track somewhere. He listened to Schumacher's Benetton coming round the track and he knew from the noise of the engine that it was using illegal traction control. But hey!! That would be cheating! That would be a conspiracy theory! And we all know Schumacher and Briatore would never do anything like that.....oh hang on.....

[Zekenwolf]

The observations Minardi makes ....

As I said before, because Vettel is the driver involved the 'observations' that Giancarlo Minardi made have elevated him from a has-been team's genial boss who probably needs his hearing-aids retuned to an F1 senior statesman oozing with wisdom of the ages. He'll be lucky if RBR don't sue his pension off his back for slander.

[What's Burning?]

How dare anyone question right? RBR is beyond reproach I tell's ya.

[What's Burning?]

Interesting link that someone's got up about the sound of Vettel's engine. Listen to what his car sounds like as it passes by, and then listen to what every other car sound like as Rosberg is the first to pass by after the 15 second or so gap. Doesn't take a trained ear to hear the difference.

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[Jabberwocky]

If this is true why would rbr run it on only 1 car?

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[Jabberwocky]

Haven't there already been red bull traction control stories already this year?

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[spankyham]

Haven't there already been red bull traction control stories already this year?

There was a video of Webber 's car after he tangled with a Caterham earlier this year. Some called that evidence of tc while others said it was hop


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