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[andrew]

Oh deary me!

Where have I said they'll be winning the championship and where have I am anti-Mercedes? Typical response - anyone doesn't agree with you, accuse them of being anti-something! Look at year on year perfomance with an unbiased mind an you'll see where I'm coming from.

I'm pretty sure if I said the sea was wet you'd disagree.

[Hammer278]

Oh deary me!

Where have I said they'll be winning the championship and where have I am anti-Mercedes? Typical response - anyone doesn't agree with you, accuse them of being anti-something! Look at year on year perfomance with an unbiased mind an you'll see where I'm coming from.

I'm pretty sure if I said the sea was wet you'd disagree.

Wow...and I reckon Lotus GP has had some similar success as McLaren/Redbull/Ferrari.....LOGIC 404 as usual. Quit embarrassing yourself.

[racechick]

Whole load of stuff here about the tyre test. And the one Ferrari did.
http://somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/ ... e.html?m=1

[1Lemon]

Oh deary me!

Where have I said they'll be winning the championship and where have I am anti-Mercedes? Typical response - anyone doesn't agree with you, accuse them of being anti-something! Look at year on year perfomance with an unbiased mind an you'll see where I'm coming from.

I'm pretty sure if I said the sea was wet you'd disagree.

Wow...and I reckon Lotus GP has had some similar success as McLaren/Redbull/Ferrari.....LOGIC 404 as usual. Quit embarrassing yourself.

Because one season is an indication of how good they are? Well damn I better stop having any faith in Williams ever again.

[LewEngBridewell]

Oh deary me!

Where have I said they'll be winning the championship and where have I am anti-Mercedes? Typical response - anyone doesn't agree with you, accuse them of being anti-something! Look at year on year perfomance with an unbiased mind an you'll see where I'm coming from.

I'm pretty sure if I said the sea was wet you'd disagree.

Wow...and I reckon Lotus GP has had some similar success as McLaren/Redbull/Ferrari.....LOGIC 404 as usual. Quit embarrassing yourself.

Because one season is an indication of how good they are? Well damn I better stop having any faith in Williams ever again.

Nawww, Williams will rise again!

In fact, one can safely bet that Ferrari, McLaren and Williams will be there until the end, outliving all other current teams. BAM!!!!!!!!!!!

[1Lemon]

Oh deary me!

Where have I said they'll be winning the championship and where have I am anti-Mercedes? Typical response - anyone doesn't agree with you, accuse them of being anti-something! Look at year on year perfomance with an unbiased mind an you'll see where I'm coming from.

I'm pretty sure if I said the sea was wet you'd disagree.

Wow...and I reckon Lotus GP has had some similar success as McLaren/Redbull/Ferrari.....LOGIC 404 as usual. Quit embarrassing yourself.

Because one season is an indication of how good they are? Well damn I better stop having any faith in Williams ever again.

Nawww, Williams will rise again!

In fact, one can safely bet that Ferrari, McLaren and Williams will be there until the end, outliving all other current teams. BAM!!!!!!!!!!!

Their the only three who make any real profit year in year out really. Good business model because they've been doing it for 30 years.

[Jabberwocky]

But some teams just change names but carry on going. Like how many cars have come from enstone?

Or more closely following the Mercedes thread you can trace them back tocthe Tyrell days

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[1Lemon]

I think the name is the basis of the team, if you change the name, in my view the team becomes anew, as most of the staff are reinvigorated and ready to go.

[Jabberwocky]

I would imagine for most of the team staff it would just mean a change of shirt

[LRW]

There seems to be some pretty solid backup here, that Pirelli are totally in the clear, if what Pirelli say is true.

Pirelli say Barcelona tyre test did not favour Mercedes over the other teams
Italian manufacturer says rubber tested was 2014 compound

Pirelli have denied their Barcelona tyre test favoured Mercedes over the other Formula 1 teams, reiterating that the rubber used was their 2014 compound.

The controversy which swept through the Monaco paddock on Sunday morning has overshadowed Nico Rosberg's victory in Monte Carlo after it emerged the Silver Arrows had completed 1000km of testing over three days following the Spanish GP.

In a statement the Italian manufacturer said: "Pirelli, in development testing with teams carried out in 2013, has not favoured any teams and, as always, acted professionally, with transparency and in absolute good faith.

"The tyres used were not from the current championship but belonged to a range of products still being developed in view of an eventual renewal of the supply contract. Further, none of the tests were carried for the purpose of enhancing specific cars, but only to test tyre solutions for future championships.

"The use of the car utilised by Mercedes, in particular, was the result of direct communication between FIA and the team itself. Pirelli did not ask in any way that a 2013 car be used: not of Mercedes nor FIA nor the teams which, during the year, were offered the opportunity of participating in tests for the development of tyres for 2014.

"With regard to the rules which govern its conduct, the company has always respected the contractual limits which bind it to the FIA, teams and championship's organizers, and has always respected the principles of sporting loyalty.

"The tests were conducted in observance of the contract between Pirelli and FIA, which gives the supplier the possibility of carrying out tests for the development of tyres with each team of up to 1,000 kilometres, without specifying the type of car to be used, nor sanctioning the simultaneous presence of all the teams for the running of the tests.

"In this regard, Pirelli has since 2010 made it clear that it is neither possible nor useful to carry out this type of test with all the teams simultaneously. In fact, this type of testing aimed at technological development and researching new solutions, involves many tyres of different types which must be tested with a single car at a time.

"Already in March 2012, Pirelli sent an email to all the teams, FIA and FOM, inviting the teams to indicate their availability for testing for the development of tyres for 2013. Further, the company explained that it was necessary to conduct the tests with the teams' cars because it did not have a suitable one of its own (Pirelli has the use of an adapted 2010 Renault and, before that, a 2009 Toyota).

"The invitation was subsequently repeated in various official contexts and repeated to some teams last March for the development of tyres for 2014.

"This test, as always, carried out with a single compound never used in a championship, regarded structures not in use in the current season and not destined to be used later during the 2013 season. The tyre tests were conducted "in the dark", which means that the teams had no information on which specifications were being tested or about the goal of the testing; nor did they receive any type of information afterwards.

"Further, the tests did not regard delamination in any way, as that problem was dealt with and resolved by Pirelli's technicians through laboratory tests, with the support of data gathered during the first races of the season.

"Pirelli always asked for representative cars, that is, with performances comparable to those of the cars being used in the championship underway, without ever referring to those effectively used in the 2013 races.

"The Barcelona test was conducted in cooperation with Mercedes between May 15 and May 17, 2013. The teams made available one car and two first tier drivers, who alternated at the wheel on different days.

"The trials were done with a base compound, not in use this year, and 12 different structures which had never been used in 2013, only one of which with Kevlar.

The team did not obtain any advantage with regard to knowledge of the behaviour of the tyres in use in the current championship.

"The type of car used during the tests was the subject of direct discussions between Mercedes and FIA, as shown in the exchange of emails between the team and Pirelli. In particular, Mercedes informed Pirelli that its 2011 car could not be used and that it had already contacted FIA regarding the use of the 2013 car.

"There is no doubt that the questions relating to the vehicle were the exclusive domain of the team and that Pirelli was excluded from these questions (notwithstanding Pirelli's need, from a technical point of view, to have a representative car in terms of impact on the performance of the tyres).

"To confirm that this was an ordinary development test and not aimed at specific interventions, Pirelli made no specific requests about the drivers or about the tyre of Mercedes staff that would be present during the tests and had fielded its normal team for development testing."

[1Lemon]

As I thought, it was Merc being crafty with the 2013 car rather than Pirelli asking them.

[LRW]

As I thought, it was Merc being crafty with the 2013 car rather than Pirelli asking them.

BUT were they being crafty? According to Pirelli, Mercedes had direct communication with the FiA about using the 2013 car. AND I dont see what Merc gets out of it anyway, as (again according to Pirelli) they were testing blind, and had to give them a consistent and known car, so couldn't really test new parts.

[Jabberwocky]

I am sure Mercedes are not going to purge all the information from the test so they are going to have some data.

What I do not get is that if it was all legal and above board why not let everyone know before hand it was happening.


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[1Lemon]

In particular, Mercedes informed Pirelli that its 2011 car could not be used and that it had already contacted FIA regarding the use of the 2013 car.

So why was the 2012 car not an option?

[What's Burning?]

As I thought, it was Merc being crafty with the 2013 car rather than Pirelli asking them.

are you referencing the above Pirelli statement? because it's not clear to me where the crafty comes in. Mercedes got a yes from someone... let's talk to them.

Mercedes should be stripped of all WCC points and banned from this year's championship.

I'm thinking, the placating has begun, and I can already smell the scent of roses.