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By sagi58
#371739
...You don't need to be camping outside the factories to show your support, Kimi shows bugger all support and still gets treated like the CEO of Lotus simply by performing when he's on track and at race weekends.

Massa was indeed performing, especially towards the back of last season where he was continually treated as Ferrari's b!tch. So in my view he's in the same mindframe as Webber now, collect a fat paycheck and just act like you care until you get fired. In Webber's case his future is set, so he knows where he's going. Massa will go wherever he gets paid. :hehe:

Personally, I hope Ferrari keep him since I don't like Ferrari and I see him as a liability...but for Ferrari's sake they need to get rid of him for someone more driven. Until the new guy gets pissed off as well with the shoddy treatment and becomes another Massa. I mean, no driver at the sharp end will bother to give a 100% at the no.2 Redbull and Ferrari seats because they aren't built to be idiots, you don't reach F1 that way. You become demotivated, something Ferrari are pros at...cue Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Kimi Raikkonen (2008), and now Massa. The next victim is yet to be announced.

ImageAgain, IF teams and drivers agree on their respective roles, no one else's opinion matters or should impact on how they conduct business between themselves.

ImageAgain, Massa can't just show up to perform in the last half of the season, when his contract is under threat and expect to be treated like a #1 anything!

ImageAgain, there is no way for any of us to know what goes on behind closed doors at any of the teams. Nor is there any way for any of us to know what does and doesn't motivate drivers! All we do "know" is based on speculation of what we are allowed to see in the media!
By Hammer278
#371775
You have three great points (along with the colourful ticks!) but it's easy to respond to all those 3 points with a simple,

If I don't know what's going on in there, how would you? :yikes:

In the end we're all exposed to such limited news/noise which is why we have forums to take it to the next level and help the sport look much bigger than it really is. :P
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By sagi58
#371777
I don't know and don't pretend to know, as you'll notice I will use "disclaimer" phrases such as "it would seem"!

Also, just as some of the comments made on forums take the sport to the next level, some just as easily bring it down into the dirt! :twisted:
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By Jabberwocky
#373029
Massa has said on instagram he will not be with ferrari next year

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By What's Burning?
#373047
Daniel Ricciardo couldn't fit his bum in a Ferrari either.
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By racechick
#373053
Don't think his bum fits well anywhere :hehe:
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By LewEngBridewell
#373056
Don't think his bum fits well anywhere :hehe:


In which case, Red Bull can see to Daniel's bum, while I shall see to Seb's :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9::cloud9::twisted:
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By Jabberwocky
#373083
According to the stats Massa is the most successful Ferrari driver to not win a championship for them

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By sagi58
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By racechick
#373125
No Alonso in the last list!
By What's Burning?
#373128
No Alonso in the last list!

I'm sure but you have to pan down.
By What's Burning?
#373130
No Alonso in the last list!

That list is flawed, non are Poles!

Kubica would own that stat!
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