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[Injen]

Last year was double difficult for that reason, as a McLaren fan the team being soundly trounced by Red Bull, and as a Lewis fan, him being beaten fair and square by Jenson, e.

If you call fair and square putting lewis in the wall at canada

[/troll]

Same here,on top of that it's actually sickening how the same media tried to destroy Lewis last year,they did everything they could to give button the physiological edge.Now the same media are queuing up to make excuses for Button,anything but button is the excuses they are coming out with.Some i get the feeling would like Mclaren to stop all advancement until Button is sorted out even if it means Lewis is held up.

They are trying everything to break his concentration,constantly going on about him leaving Mclaren or making up stories like Ron said Lewis must take a pay cut when he didn't actually say that.Their last desperate attempt is hoping Jenson can have an identical set up as Lewis and that will solve his problems lol,they can't and won't admit that they have overrated Button and now they are being exposed for the bias and i would even say racist media they are.

What else can it be when Jenson is actually the worst driver on the grid,no other driver has been lapped by his teammate let alone a number of other car.In a way Jenson is on the butt end of a lot of Lewis fans anger when it was Brundle and Jake that fed him the hype,he can thank them for the backlash and Byron Young of the daily mirror who is the worst of them all.

Really looking forward to this weekend and i will lmfao if Button get's his bottom handed to him by any driver on the grid.Just seeing Brundle and Jake and DC and TED and the dwarf girl off sky squirm.

[vaptin]

The situations are different (Jenson's poor form this year V Lewis's last year).

Most of Lewis's problems involved collisions with other drivers, penalties and downbeat media interviews (which is probably downplaying it, "is it coz I'm black was a little more than simply downbeat"). He had also recently changed management, and Vettel was running away with the WDC.

Button doesn't seem upbeat, but he has come across to me as quite matter of fact about it.

There's also far more to talk about this season, the main poor performer and media focus has been on Massa (from my perspective) or even on Mclaren's pitstop problems.

[racechick]

So what do you make of Whitmarsh's contributions to it all? last year we had
"Jenson is fantastic, so clever, so good with the tyres, can lead a team, Lewis is learning, Lewis underestimated Jenson , Lewis has been destabalised by Jenson. And what do we hear now. Oh! Its the car. we've given Jenson a crap car. We've let him down.

As with the media love in with Jens,jens now receives the backlash from irate Lewis fans for this amateurish and unfair treatment from the team leader.

[CookinFlat6]

Buttons now moaning that he is not a moaner

Apparently what he does is 'engineering' his feedback is invaluable in helping the team improve his car, judging by the current state of the car either the team are useless at listening to feedback and evolving the car or Jenson doesnt complain enough about no grip/balance/oversteer/understeer

[Hammer278]

Buttons now moaning that he is not a moaner

Apparently what he does is 'engineering' his feedback is invaluable in helping the team improve his car, judging by the current state of the car either the team are useless at listening to feedback and evolving the car or Jenson doesnt complain enough about no grip/balance/oversteer/understeer

Well, they don't need Button to make the car better....Lewis was sufficient to pull the car from being backmarker material to a race winner in 2009, I'm sure they won't forget that. Button, if anything makes a car worse. The Hondas did so badly they went bankrupt, the BARs were the laughing stock of F1, the Brawn went from being Godly to a midfielder by the end of the year, and when Renault and Flavio took over a very sick Benetton they had the sense to kick this guy out.

[racechick]

So how do all these myths about Jensons' fantastic feedback, team leading qualities and set-up ability originate??
Maybe he spends too much time making people love him but not enough making the car work

[CookinFlat6]

It could be that the myth of Jenson developing cars or having any kind of special clue about setup has masked the years of waste at BAR and Honda. We all thought it was bad management and impatient Japanese bosses but recent evidence points to the common denominator in the BAR, Honda and Brawn of second half of 2009.

Yes Jenson is the link, car development going no where, a team languishing at the back of the grid, this is now obviously Jensons natural place in the food chain. He only appears to transcend this when his car is much faster than the field, like in 2009 or Aus 2012. Even then he struggles to beat others as soon as the car is not perfect.

In the second half of 2009, he was trounced by Reubens when the car was a little harder to drive, out qualified by MS' doormat, he behaved exactly like he is doing now, and he has done all his career - complaining that there is something wrong with the car but has no clue what

Thats not engineering Jenson, its just lameness, either accept that you belong outside the top ten and deal with it, or make out that the car is even worse than an HRT and come last hoping to distract from his inability to step out of his comfort zone

Its like the film driving Miss Daisy, that old guy was so good at driving slow and smooth but given a fast car might also have complained about it

Now we hear things like Jenson is not the fastest but he has good intelligence and setup skills, first whats the point of a slow race driver? its like a poor millionaire, second the other alternative attributes like intelligence etc, how can these take you in a race winning car to last place 3 races in a row?

[Injen]

Buttons now moaning that he is not a moaner

Apparently what he does is 'engineering' his feedback is invaluable in helping the team improve his car, judging by the current state of the car either the team are useless at listening to feedback and evolving the car or Jenson doesnt complain enough about no grip/balance/oversteer/understeer

Agree..

Jenson was acting like a big cigar last year, but now he is getting smoked!

Let's hope he continues with his dismal performances and Mclaren find some way to replace him.If Lewis wins the WDC this year he will be in a position of major strength within Mclaren.It will be time for Ron and Martin to make they're choice of who they really want to lead the team,their will be no place for a driver who can't help them win the WCC title.

Bye,Bye Button,hello Roman.

[bud]

McLaren is the inventor of a clever system that is helping Lewis Hamilton at the front of the F1 field at present. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport, with the collaboration of renowned F1 technical illustrator Giorgio Piola, said the British team is using a system that controls the flow of heat from the brakes into the difficult-to-manage Pirelli tyres.

So in a season in which a degree or two in temperature can bring a tyre in or out of Pirelli's tiny 'window' of performance, the McLaren trick is "ingenious", German journalist Tobias Gruner explained.

The team's mechanics adjust the rear braking system in the pits with a screwdriver, the screw being located near the driver cockpit opening.

As Piola's drawings show, the infinite adjustment affects the rear braking system and the flow of braking heat to the tyres.

But it has not been all good news for McLaren, whose Jenson Button is suffering arguably the grimmest period in his entire F1 career at present.

It might have something to do with the FIA's recent clampdown on the MP4-27's floor.

Reportedly after the Chinese Grand Prix, the governing body ruled that the British team had stepped over the line with its interpretation of the rules regarding flexibility.

Scratches had been found underneath the extremes of the front wings, to which McLaren argued that the floor bending was within the allowed tolerances.

"The tolerance is there to account for manufacturing defects," Charlie Whiting is quoted as saying, after ruling that McLaren's system deliberately exploited those tolerances.

Auto Motor und Sport said: "The seemingly minor change had major implications for McLaren."

Particularly Button. The team's subsequent technical changes, including the higher nose and the modified rear suspension geometry, seemingly worked for Hamilton, but not for the struggling 2009 world champion.

Getting the 2012 car to work for Button again is now a high priority for McLaren. "The problem is very complex," technical director Paddy Lowe said. "Our car is good, it just has to be set up perfectly."

And at the heart of all the F1 teams' quests for performance at the moment is the mysterious Pirelli tyres. "I'd say we understand 30 per cent," admitted Lowe. (GMM)

[vaptin]

We only hear snapshots of what the drivers do or say, anyway, McLaren are obliged as a team to help Button with his problems.

Not sure he acted all that smug last year, he seemed pretty happy sure, but what's the problem with it?

He's not liking things at the moment, but when things are going well for him, when he feels the grip in the tyres he drives great. That's always been the way sure. But in his usual driving manner, he's not been as slow as he appears recently, and is normally a pretty good racer too.

[racechick]

That was interesting Bud. I knew the mclaren used heat from the brakes to warm the tyres but didnt know how it worked.

[What's Burning?]

^^ The technical explanation to it has been on SCARB'S site for some time.

[bud]

I was thinking maybe this device was causing issues with getting wheels on and off as fast as usual during stops.

[CookinFlat6]

Ok so the mods don't suit Jenson, that cannot condone his performance, beaten by both Torro Rossos are we saying Button would have done much better in a Torro Rosso the last few races?

Would Grosjean in the mclaren have come 16th if the changes didn't suit him also?

Seb drove around with a cracked chassis and we didnt see him drop to the back of the grid.

Jenson is not that slow, but he was forced into radical gambles in a bid to try beat the top ten and that's why he is in this situation

Best he starts trying to improve from 10th and at least bring a few wcc points home

[What's Burning?]

McLaren has an opportunity to win the WCC, they're handily blowing that opportunity currently because of their performance in the pit and the inability of Jenson to score points. If they slip to third in the WCC this year because of that, I'm sure there will be a lot of discussion about in in the off season as that will cost the team lots of dollars.

Whatever happened to Jenson began after China as he's scored only 2 WCC points in the last 4 GPs. Coming to think of it, he's only scored points in 3 of the 7 GPs so far. The nose issues were not a factor until Spain? Or was the new nose introduced in Monaco? Certainly the floor has only been a factor since Canada so I think there are other things going on besides those two known factors.