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[AKR]

I actually wish the same, but reg Alonso!

And I'm no fan of Vettel...but he's had to fight harder since his team considers themselves to have 2 equal drivers fighting for a WDC until 1 has lost it all but mathematically....while Alonsos team considers themselves to have 1 driver and that other lamb in the next garage who is told to back off whenever he gets too close to their Spanish God.

I see. However your perception of ferrari is inaccurate. This is ferrari at the moment. crap car with one super talented Spanish driver who has kept them in the fight. i want alonso to win not because he is at ferrari, but because if he wins, he will prove that superior talent can prevail even absent superior machinery. and btw vettel is and has been red bull's number 1 from the word go. don't full yourself in believing otherwise .

[AKR]

That's funny, I want Alonso to loose in the same way.

What's wrong with Red Bull winning? They've done the best job and deserve it. Ferrari and McLaren don't have any more rights to winning championships than any other team. Just 'cos they've stuck around longer than most does not mean that only them should win - imagine how boring that would be? So what if they're owned by a drinks company? Bentton was a clothing company. Besides, if you want a bang on about a teams heritage, try tracing Red Bull back to the start - I'll give you a clue - 1997. Yon chappie Jackie Stewart apparently had some success in

So are the current lotus team then benneton? Afterall didn't lotus buy out renault who in turn bought out benneton. we all know they are not. and redbull isn't Stewart nor jaguar (or ford for that matter which is what jaguar really were & im not explaining the jag/ford thing either as you should understand that). Therefore im not buying the Stewartbeing part of redbull's heritage garbage .

[andrew]

That's funny, I want Alonso to loose in the same way.

What's wrong with Red Bull winning? They've done the best job and deserve it. Ferrari and McLaren don't have any more rights to winning championships than any other team. Just 'cos they've stuck around longer than most does not mean that only them should win - imagine how boring that would be? So what if they're owned by a drinks company? Bentton was a clothing company. Besides, if you want a bang on about a teams heritage, try tracing Red Bull back to the start - I'll give you a clue - 1997. Yon chappie Jackie Stewart apparently had some success in

So are the current lotus team then benneton? Afterall didn't lotus buy out renault who in turn bought out benneton. we all know they are not. and redbull isn't Stewart nor jaguar (or ford for that matter which is what jaguar really were & im not explaining the jag/ford thing either as you should understand that). Therefore im not buying the Stewartbeing part of redbull's heritage garbage .

You were the one banging on about heritage. Fact is, Stewart GP is part of Red Bull Racings F1 teams heritage/history, as are Jaguar/Ford - I'd wager that a good number of the team personnel are the same. No point denying it, 'cos it's true! The current team Lotus can trace itself right back to Benetton and Toleman so if you're looking at blood lines then yes. Torro Rosso were Minardi. Mercedes were Honda who were BAR who were Tyrrell. Denying an F1 teams heritage is like denying part of your families ancestory because you don't like a particular country - daft!

[vlad]

Haters gonna hate... Sore losers gonna hate even more...

[Hammer278]

I actually wish the same, but reg Alonso!

And I'm no fan of Vettel...but he's had to fight harder since his team considers themselves to have 2 equal drivers fighting for a WDC until 1 has lost it all but mathematically....while Alonsos team considers themselves to have 1 driver and that other lamb in the next garage who is told to back off whenever he gets too close to their Spanish God.

I see. However your perception of ferrari is inaccurate. This is ferrari at the moment. crap car with one super talented Spanish driver who has kept them in the fight. i want alonso to win not because he is at ferrari, but because if he wins, he will prove that superior talent can prevail even absent superior machinery. and btw vettel is and has been red bull's number 1 from the word go. don't full yourself in believing otherwise .

So it seems ALonso has managed to fool you as well that the car is crap.

That Ferrari has been able to compete for podiums since Barcelona. Alonso, being the great marketing guy he is, has done his very best to convince everyone he's driving a midfield car and its his talent which has kept him ahead. And he's succeeded with quite a few, even Ferrari fans it seems! The Ferrari has never been dominant but its been the MOST consistent car and team out of the top 3 this season, no doubt about it.

[Jabberwocky]

That does not make sence, If the Ferrari car was OK and Massa was doing badly like he has been then Ferrari would of sent him on his way. If the Ferrari was bad and Mass was doing OK then they would of kept him! So in essence the fact tehy have kept him means that Ferrari are admiting the car is bad. So following on from that it proves how good a job Alonso has done.

[vlad]

Massa is just a puppet there. And, only fool would believe that he had the same car like Alonso, at least during the first 10 races. Ferrari was always like that, giving everything to one driver. It works for them, they have tried the different approach, it didn't work.

[Big Azza]

Just found this on 1 forum, looks really nice, a simple idea.


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_V_V_ E_____ __T__ __T__ E_____ L
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I hope vettel loses the championship in the last race by a point. Really he puts me off when he wins as do all these cheesy comments by his fans. Never thought I would say this but a mclaren winning is better than a red bull winning. At least mclaren have herritage like ferrari. Red bull are a drinks company. Unless I were a Renault fan I wouldnt bother with red bull.

Welcome back Kiki!

Despite the fact that we definitely do not see eye-to-eye, I miss seeing you around on the forum, and I think that the forum is missing someone with such blatantly bias rose-tinted Ferrari glasses (although some members come close). Please post more often!

And whilst that may have been a "back-handed compliment" it is the truth. I always have memories of my first year on the forum and the back-and-forth banter that we had, each time I open my User Panel and see your name in my friends' list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaanyways, as is rightly pointed out, by others... you're argument is crazy. Vettel and Red Bull have done the best job this year and hence deserve the title. The fact that Massa got a podium this year means that the car actually does have some pace, and that is quite evident that other than Raikkonen's consistent performances, Ferrari is definitely a top 3 car.

And your arguments are illogical (or maybe I am reading too much into them). How can you say that on one hand, Vettel is only as good as his car, yet on the other, Alonso single-handedly gets the team over the line through pure skill and talent? What is your benchmark for making such a claim? Because I could argue it the opposite way around, using the same logic, but I wouldn't, because I think it is bovine manure. No one can drive better than their car. It is impossible for that to happen.

It is a driver's skill and talent that enables them to drive a car to its limits. I have believed that Alonso was a better driver than Vettel (but Vettel is matching him as he matures), but Vettel IS a skillful driver. If you don't want to give him the credit based on his success (moreso than Alonso) in F1, than by all means look at his junior career before F1. A driver of his calibre DESERVES to drive in F1, and DESERVES to be at the winning team like Red Bull. And there should be no shadow of a doubt when you put the two "careers" together that Vettel IS a talented driver.

It takes a bit more to be a successful driver than just skill level, as Hamilton has more of it than Vettel, and probably all the drivers on the grid (are you listening Racechick? ). There are plenty of elements in being a good race driver, that includes your maturity, your mechanical ability, your marketing ability, and the contract/career decisions that you make....

Just remember, Ferrari last won the drivers' championship 5 years ago, and in my opinion, are at present further away from winning the championship than ever before. So a teams' prestige is useless. Ferrari's unsuccessful results are tarnishing their prestige, and I know if I were Vettel I would definitely not even touch them until Ferrari start proving once again to us why they have their "prestige."

[Hammer278]

That does not make sence, If the Ferrari car was OK and Massa was doing badly like he has been then Ferrari would of sent him on his way. If the Ferrari was bad and Mass was doing OK then they would of kept him! So in essence the fact tehy have kept him means that Ferrari are admiting the car is bad. So following on from that it proves how good a job Alonso has done.

Massa is a sloowwwww learner and proved it again this year by taking his time understanding the tyres. Something like Buttons 6 race vacation (during the time Hamilton lapped him/won races) in which he took time to understand how to switch tyres on. The car was a podium contender from Barcelona, and Alonso is not God (outside the Ferrari teams mind) to defy Physics by doing more than the car is capable of. Massa is kept on since he's a good lapdog as he proved in India. Barrichello caused Ferrari more headache by having to move over for SChumacher often and causing fiascos like Austria 2002 and USA 2004...The Ferrari No.2 seat is just collateral damage to the team and no one gives a sh*t about it as long as its bringing in some good points (which Massa has started to do) and wouldn't bother the only car that matters in the team. It's common sense.

[vlad]

Exclusive Q&A - Sebastian Vettel prepares to hit 100 in Austin

Sir Jackie Stewart finished his Formula One career at the age of 34, with three world titles and 99 race starts under his belt. Sebastian Vettel is about to head into his 100th Formula One race weekend, having won two titles, but aged just 25. That shows just how drastically demographics have changed in the F1 paddock in recent years. Not surprisingly for one so young, Vettel remains hungry for more success. It's perhaps fitting then that his centenary race - at Austin’s all-new Circuit of The Americas - could see the Red Bull star wrap up his third drivers’ crown…

Q: Sebastian, the race in Austin this weekend will be your one hundredth Grand Prix. How would you sum up your Formula One career so far?
Sebastian Vettel: It’s all gone so quickly. One hundred is a big number - one hundred Grands Prix sounds a lot: one hundred starts, one hundred times surviving the first corner. If I reflect on it, it doesn’t feel so long ago that I broke into Formula One. That shows me that time flies when you do something that you really like and enjoy. So let’s focus on the second hundred! (laughs)

Q: Reflecting on this season, it looked as if you didn’t get the start that you wanted and your lead now looks harder-won than in previous years…
SV: The first race was good - it brought me a nice podium in Australia - but after that the rollercoaster ride started and the only good news was that everybody had checked in on that ride. Sometimes we didn’t get the results that we deserved - and at others we got the result that we deserved - but we weren’t happy with those, so yes, it was not the easiest season. But we kept the belief from the very start and were never caught in a situation where we had to re-motivate ourselves to go out and fight for wins.

Q: At races where it didn’t go too well you expressed your frustration over the team radio. How do you overcome frustration?
SV: I don’t think there is anything wrong with being unhappy - to be polite - if you had a bad race and you are not happy with the result, when you feel that you could have done better. There is nothing wrong with that. But the moment you cross the line there is nothing more that you can do. Sometimes you are very angry with yourself, about a specific situation, but you cannot rewind time and go for a second try so you have to accept it and move on - focus on things that you can change in the future and not waste time and energy on things that are already in the past.

Q: 2012 has been the most unpredictable season in a long time: the first seven races saw seven different winners. Has that lack of consistency helped you - as now that you have found consistency you are top of the table?
SV: Yes and no. With everyone being very close to each other, with the performance of the cars being very equal, you might have a good car but finish only seventh. The next race your car is quite similar and you might win and the guy who won a fortnight ago is not able to do better than fifth or sixth. This is indeed very different to previous years when you knew that when the car felt good and had good pace you might still finish on the podium - even if someone else was quicker - as there have only been a handful of guys fighting it out. This year, well, not everybody can win, but the circle of suspects has definitely widened.

Q: Let’s look at Fernando Alonso. He was very consistent for a long time this season, but now he must feel the pain of having had some retirements - contrary to you, whose season has dramatically changed since Singapore…
SV: Of course the last races we had were very good for us, to put it mildly. They have helped us a lot. If you look at the whole season with 20 races, you do have incidences that you don’t like to have, you probably have some retirements due to technical problems. We had those - and hopefully we have now passed this phase. It is very hard to run so many races without incidents. It is not something that is part of your calculation, but you have to be prepared when it hits you not to stand there with eyes wide open. (laughs) If you look at the races we’ve done so far I think Fernando’s and my DNF’s or calamities are equal. I still believe that the driver who deserves it most will be champion. No doubt we are in a very good position now and I hope we do well until the very end to make sure that we deserve the glory.

Q: On the grandstands and at home in front of the television this season has unfolded like a thriller. Right now it still has an open ending…
SV: Yes, the fans got the best Formula One for a long time. I personally would have loved it to be a little bit more boring at some stages. When you think back some years ago, when you were in the lead and had only ten laps to go you could have been pretty sure that the race was yours. Today anything can happen until the moment you pass the chequered flag. The tyres keep results up in the air until the very last metres of the race. When you are in the hunt you still can turn it around - and when you are in the lead you can still lose it!

Q: Qualifying has been a bit of a hiccup for you in 2012. But there must also be some fun and satisfaction involved in overtaking other cars and fighting your way to the front?
SV: Well, I think satisfaction is always linked to whether you have done a good race or not. It is obviously fun when you can overtake many cars, but ideally you start in the front and don’t have to overtake! You simply want to stay where you are. (laughs) When you start at the very back - and believe me I know what I am talking about since Abu Dhabi - your race seems endless, and the podium was the perfect reward for a work-loaded afternoon.

Q: Eighteen races out of 20 completed: what was the highlight for you so far?
SV: I hope it is still to come! Maybe the first win of the season in Bahrain was a big relief - to know that everything is still functioning the way it used to. A highlight for sure was the win in Singapore, because I consider it physically the hardest race of the season. And, of course, the Abu Dhabi race. But as I just said, I hope the best is still yet to come.
Source: Formula1.com

So, number 100 coming right up! Let's hope he wins the title in that race, so we can celebrate nicely!

[mnmracer]

Exclusive Q&A - Sebastian Vettel prepares to hit 100 in Austin

Sir Jackie Stewart finished his Formula One career at the age of 34, with three world titles and 99 race starts under his belt. Sebastian Vettel is about to head into his 100th Formula One race weekend, having won two titles, but aged just 25. That shows just how drastically demographics have changed in the F1 paddock in recent years. Not surprisingly for one so young, Vettel remains hungry for more success. It's perhaps fitting then that his centenary race - at Austin’s all-new Circuit of The Americas - could see the Red Bull star wrap up his third drivers’ crown…

Q: Sebastian, the race in Austin this weekend will be your one hundredth Grand Prix. How would you sum up your Formula One career so far?
Sebastian Vettel: It’s all gone so quickly. One hundred is a big number - one hundred Grands Prix sounds a lot: one hundred starts, one hundred times surviving the first corner. If I reflect on it, it doesn’t feel so long ago that I broke into Formula One. That shows me that time flies when you do something that you really like and enjoy. So let’s focus on the second hundred! (laughs)

Q: Reflecting on this season, it looked as if you didn’t get the start that you wanted and your lead now looks harder-won than in previous years…
SV: The first race was good - it brought me a nice podium in Australia - but after that the rollercoaster ride started and the only good news was that everybody had checked in on that ride. Sometimes we didn’t get the results that we deserved - and at others we got the result that we deserved - but we weren’t happy with those, so yes, it was not the easiest season. But we kept the belief from the very start and were never caught in a situation where we had to re-motivate ourselves to go out and fight for wins.

Q: At races where it didn’t go too well you expressed your frustration over the team radio. How do you overcome frustration?
SV: I don’t think there is anything wrong with being unhappy - to be polite - if you had a bad race and you are not happy with the result, when you feel that you could have done better. There is nothing wrong with that. But the moment you cross the line there is nothing more that you can do. Sometimes you are very angry with yourself, about a specific situation, but you cannot rewind time and go for a second try so you have to accept it and move on - focus on things that you can change in the future and not waste time and energy on things that are already in the past.

Q: 2012 has been the most unpredictable season in a long time: the first seven races saw seven different winners. Has that lack of consistency helped you - as now that you have found consistency you are top of the table?
SV: Yes and no. With everyone being very close to each other, with the performance of the cars being very equal, you might have a good car but finish only seventh. The next race your car is quite similar and you might win and the guy who won a fortnight ago is not able to do better than fifth or sixth. This is indeed very different to previous years when you knew that when the car felt good and had good pace you might still finish on the podium - even if someone else was quicker - as there have only been a handful of guys fighting it out. This year, well, not everybody can win, but the circle of suspects has definitely widened.

Q: Let’s look at Fernando Alonso. He was very consistent for a long time this season, but now he must feel the pain of having had some retirements - contrary to you, whose season has dramatically changed since Singapore…
SV: Of course the last races we had were very good for us, to put it mildly. They have helped us a lot. If you look at the whole season with 20 races, you do have incidences that you don’t like to have, you probably have some retirements due to technical problems. We had those - and hopefully we have now passed this phase. It is very hard to run so many races without incidents. It is not something that is part of your calculation, but you have to be prepared when it hits you not to stand there with eyes wide open. (laughs) If you look at the races we’ve done so far I think Fernando’s and my DNF’s or calamities are equal. I still believe that the driver who deserves it most will be champion. No doubt we are in a very good position now and I hope we do well until the very end to make sure that we deserve the glory.

Q: On the grandstands and at home in front of the television this season has unfolded like a thriller. Right now it still has an open ending…
SV: Yes, the fans got the best Formula One for a long time. I personally would have loved it to be a little bit more boring at some stages. When you think back some years ago, when you were in the lead and had only ten laps to go you could have been pretty sure that the race was yours. Today anything can happen until the moment you pass the chequered flag. The tyres keep results up in the air until the very last metres of the race. When you are in the hunt you still can turn it around - and when you are in the lead you can still lose it!

Q: Qualifying has been a bit of a hiccup for you in 2012. But there must also be some fun and satisfaction involved in overtaking other cars and fighting your way to the front?
SV: Well, I think satisfaction is always linked to whether you have done a good race or not. It is obviously fun when you can overtake many cars, but ideally you start in the front and don’t have to overtake! You simply want to stay where you are. (laughs) When you start at the very back - and believe me I know what I am talking about since Abu Dhabi - your race seems endless, and the podium was the perfect reward for a work-loaded afternoon.

Q: Eighteen races out of 20 completed: what was the highlight for you so far?
SV: I hope it is still to come! Maybe the first win of the season in Bahrain was a big relief - to know that everything is still functioning the way it used to. A highlight for sure was the win in Singapore, because I consider it physically the hardest race of the season. And, of course, the Abu Dhabi race. But as I just said, I hope the best is still yet to come.
Source: Formula1.com

So, number 100 coming right up! Let's hope he wins the title in that race, so we can celebrate nicely!

After 5 years, in the same Grand Prix where he drove his first race, and became the youngest driver in Formula One history to score a point.

[f1ea]

Damn Vettel drove like a man.
Yet ANOTHER big STFU to the anti-Vettel crowd.

[vlad]

Damn Vettel drove like a man.
Yet ANOTHER big STFU to the anti-Vettel crowd.

Yeah! And, to be honest, it comes down to the best 2 drivers of the season in the final 2 races. Kimi also drove well, but he was pretty slow in qualifying this year.

[AKR]

Just found this on 1 forum, looks really nice, a simple idea.


V___V EEEEEE TTTTT TTTT EEEEEE L
V___V E_____ __T__ __T__ E_____ L
_V_V_ EEEEEE __T__ __T__ EEEEEE L
_V_V_ E_____ __T__ __T__ E_____ L
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I hope vettel loses the championship in the last race by a point. Really he puts me off when he wins as do all these cheesy comments by his fans. Never thought I would say this but a mclaren winning is better than a red bull winning. At least mclaren have herritage like ferrari. Red bull are a drinks company. Unless I were a Renault fan I wouldnt bother with red bull.

Welcome back Kiki!

Despite the fact that we definitely do not see eye-to-eye, I miss seeing you around on the forum, and I think that the forum is missing someone with such blatantly bias rose-tinted Ferrari glasses (although some members come close). Please post more often!

And whilst that may have been a "back-handed compliment" it is the truth. I always have memories of my first year on the forum and the back-and-forth banter that we had, each time I open my User Panel and see your name in my friends' list.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaanyways, as is rightly pointed out, by others... you're argument is crazy. Vettel and Red Bull have done the best job this year and hence deserve the title. The fact that Massa got a podium this year means that the car actually does have some pace, and that is quite evident that other than Raikkonen's consistent performances, Ferrari is definitely a top 3 car.

And your arguments are illogical (or maybe I am reading too much into them). How can you say that on one hand, Vettel is only as good as his car, yet on the other, Alonso single-handedly gets the team over the line through pure skill and talent? What is your benchmark for making such a claim? Because I could argue it the opposite way around, using the same logic, but I wouldn't, because I think it is bovine manure. No one can drive better than their car. It is impossible for that to happen.

It is a driver's skill and talent that enables them to drive a car to its limits. I have believed that Alonso was a better driver than Vettel (but Vettel is matching him as he matures), but Vettel IS a skillful driver. If you don't want to give him the credit based on his success (moreso than Alonso) in F1, than by all means look at his junior career before F1. A driver of his calibre DESERVES to drive in F1, and DESERVES to be at the winning team like Red Bull. And there should be no shadow of a doubt when you put the two "careers" together that Vettel IS a talented driver.

It takes a bit more to be a successful driver than just skill level, as Hamilton has more of it than Vettel, and probably all the drivers on the grid (are you listening Racechick? ). There are plenty of elements in being a good race driver, that includes your maturity, your mechanical ability, your marketing ability, and the contract/career decisions that you make....

Just remember, Ferrari last won the drivers' championship 5 years ago, and in my opinion, are at present further away from winning the championship than ever before. So a teams' prestige is useless. Ferrari's unsuccessful results are tarnishing their prestige, and I know if I were Vettel I would definitely not even touch them until Ferrari start proving once again to us why they have their "prestige."

Ferrari is top 3, but 2nd and 3rd best (which you can rotate between Ferrari and McLaren) are not as good in terms of car performance as the number 1 team which is Red Bull. Ferrari isn't that fast this year. Well in qualifying at least, Ferrari does seem to have good race pace on race day most of the time but the end result is let down many times because of poor qualifying. Alonso's skill is what and why Ferrari have a chance for the drivers title. And if Kimi hadnt taken him out at Korea he may well still of been in the lead with his inferior Ferrari. Massa is clearly behind Alonso's pace. He has the same car and yet look where he is. The results speak for themselves (and it isnt biased as I am not an Alonso fan but rather a Ferrari fan).

Red Bull have done a lot of work, but so has everyone else. I remember a lot of people saying they were sick of when Schumi won the 5 titles in a row. (or was it just the typical anti Ferrari people as I do not see many complaining about the Red Bull dominance as of late). If Vettel wins this year it will be 3 for him. I am getting sick of him winning. Alonso hasn't won in years now so I would love to see him win for that reason and also to the fact that he has a crappier car than Vettel and it would be a good show of driver skill triumph.

[AKR]

Haters gonna hate... Sore losers gonna hate even more...

I don't hate anyone. In fact despite your best efforts to want to believe I actually care, the reality is I do not. An F1 victory absent it being Ferrari. I am annoyed for 2 mins. An F1 victory being Ferrari, I am happy for 2 minutes. Clearly it doesn't change my life. Maybe you should just get a life.