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By racechick
#369151
I'm worried it was his turn to design the Mclarens each time they were crap 2009, 2011( though less so) and 2013 :yikes:
By CookinFlat6
#369152
Heres my 5 pence (8 cents) worth on Paddy and Lewis leaving

A few facts first
First Paddy Lowe doesnt design the cars, instead he is an excellent project manager and visionary technical mind. But he doesnt design any particular thing, just oversees and produces (like a orchestral conductor)

Paddy Lowe was already determined to leave the team for a lower wage to go to Williams with Toto.

Therefore we can nip the idea that Merc were involved in this. So Lewis and Paddy had already decided to leave independently, both just wanted out, lower wages or a year out.

Paddy was most senior at Mclaren, especially on the tech side after Martin, Martin is a boardmember and brown noser and therefore has an advantage in the seniority stakes in management.

Paddy is Mclaren born and bred

Lewis has mentioned vaguely about forces at the team, not in his interests and he didnt realise at first, he also said it wasnt Martin.

We know McLaren is very political and sometimes politicking ability (and disturbingly good looks are valued higher than ability or talent)

Why would Paddy, the most senior and best tech brain, want to go to Williams, a team 'beneath' his status (apologies to FW), Whats changed at the team, where one of the best organisers of technical talent suddenly produces a car thats obviously less about one comprehensive unified vision and more about different cooks and different departments claiming a share of the 2013 budget for their own ends, like to help Button etc etc

Paddy is all important to Merc as an organiser of the talent and car visionary, his only 'weakness' is not having blind faith and championing aero, which may have hurt Mac in last 5 years, maybe not. At Merc they have a visionary aero guy, and from 2014, its mechanical and engine stuff thats in the front seat - Paddys strenght

Back to Mac, was there a recent addition to the team with his own aero ideas? Did this cause the conflict that saw Paddy and then Lewis decide that with this new injection of ideas the team were doomed? certainly the decision to radically change the car would have been made mid season last year and would almost certainly not been from Paddy, but from someone with dumb ideas about aero a year before the new regs

Did Whitmarsh announce to the press that he was grooming a successor (above Paddy), did this successor start politicking and injecting ideas gained from a previous team, into Paddys budget?

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By Hammer278
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That picture is a priceless closing to your post.... :rofl:
By CookinFlat6
#369154
yeah I just meant a simple answer to yours and WBs question of Paddys worth/reputation

Just think of him as the guy most responsible for producing the cars, making sure parts are fitted right way up, making sure correlation between sim and track is ok etc etc, making sure the car exploits the regs and most importantly decides on which department within McLaren to give how much of the years budget and hence importance. This is all important as its clear that at mcLaren now you have compartmentalised units all shouting for funds and politicking for their own aims, without a strong person to say 'NO', like Ron, and posibly like Paddy.

So if paddy wants to leave its because he is not been allowed to say NO, the disturbing slicked back boys are whispering in Whitmarshes ear like Buttons pillow talk

So I didnt want to directly mention any names, just though a picture might help, not saying thats the solution or its one guy

before the usual status quo McLaren fans start with the hatred

Also maybe this should be on the McLaren thread instead of lowering the tone of the Merc one
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By racechick
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A good interview here with Brawn, on the drivers, on managing Lewis on the last coupl of years, on the quality of Nico, and lots more..........( Autosport subs, by Johnathan Noble)


A tough 2012 season meant Mercedes was under big pressure to deliver this year, especially with Lewis Hamilton on board. Ross Brawn talks to JONATHAN NOBLE about the team's turnaround in form

By Jonathan Noble
AUTOSPORT group F1 editor




Mercedes started the 2013 Formula 1 season in apparent turmoil. It had failed to live up to expectations in any of its first three seasons back as a works team, its long-time motorsport chief Norbert Haug was out and rumours swirled that team boss Ross Brawn soon would be too.

And all that was happening just as the spotlight on Mercedes grew every larger following Lewis Hamilton's decision to quit McLaren for F1's other silver squad.

Painful levels of tyre degradation and a testing scandal heaped more pressure on Mercedes, and yet at the halfway point of F1 2013, it is Red Bull's closest rival and has won two of the last three grands prix.

Team boss Brawn sat down with AUTOSPORT for an exclusive interview about Mercedes' journey out of the mire.

AUTOSPORT: Thinking back to Japan last year, Lewis Hamilton had just signed for Mercedes but the team's form was very poor. Were you nervous then?

Ross Brawn: Of course. You have an approach and a philosophy and we concluded that there was not much to be gained from last year. We were in fifth place, we didn't think there was much chance of going down, and we wanted to make sure that we technically achieved the most from the latter part of last season [rather than on track].

Probably, looking back on it, there were some decisions that we could've made that could've improved the points scoring ability.

But I really wanted people focused on the new car and people to get the best understanding we could of the existing car. We didn't understand the Coanda exhaust very well. We knew what it does and how it works, but we didn't understand all the subtleties and nuances. There were things we wanted to do with the car that we needed to build.


The 2012 season was tough for the team © LAT
It's so difficult with the present formula to learn anything. You turn up on a Friday and the track's still green and rubbering up. You get one session on a Saturday morning. You do end up almost using the races to understand what's going on.

So it was a bit painful. And maybe when we look back we'll see ways that we could have ma.de it less painful.

AS: Were there tangible benefits from what you chose to do back then?

RB: If you take the Coanda exhaust, we took it off in Brazil because we wanted to get a reference point with and without.

When it was clear that it was giving us additional problems in terms of heating the tyres up and other issues, the easiest thing to do would have been to take it off. As soon as you do that, the pressure goes off sorting it out.

So I knew if I relaxed on that and said 'let's just take it off', we probably would have had better results, but we wouldn't have persevered and found all the tools we needed to understand how the Coanda works and develop it and all the subtleties. They got done because we persevered.

Those are the type of things that I think in the end paid off. That's typical of what was going on in the latter part of last year.

AS: But were you in a difficult position with so much focus on Hamilton's arrival and results getting worse?

RB: Within the team I have to say everyone knew why we were doing what we were doing. Outside of the team, it becomes more difficult.

Sponsors were becoming anxious, our board became anxious. Those are probably the pressures I should've anticipated a bit more, that balance of results against learning, and results against where you want to be in six months' time.

AS: Then there were the management changes over the winter. Were things calmer within the team than they seemed from outside?

RB: I think they always are within the team. There was a bit of a volatile period and changes were happening, and we had to make sure we didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I don't think we have.

We've now got a technical organisation with another year of maturity. Geoff [Willis] has been working on the 2014 car almost as a separate project. What I see is that the current car is still progressing well and the new car is making similar progress.

So I'm pleased with how we're functioning this season, it's a lot stronger than last year, when attacking this level of activity would have compromised things a lot more.

AS: Toto Wolff's arrival seemed like it was prompted by the Mercedes board, and yet he's based with the team in Brackley, which Norbert Haug wasn't...

RB: From my position, there was less direct activity from the board compared to what I had previously been involved in. That could be good or could be bad.


Hamilton's arrival has been a boost for Mercedes © LAT
The fact Toto is based at Brackley just makes it much easier to get the message across and get communication. He can see with his own eyes what's going on. It's a different arrangement and one that suits me more and suits the team more.

But I don't want to be critical in any way of Norbert. He was the person who got this together. Norbert was instrumental and supported us very strongly in all the things we needed last year and the year before.

So it's unfortunate that he's not stayed involved for the successes, but he was part of the architecture of that success.

AS. How big a motivational force is Hamilton with his fiery nature and heart-on-sleeve approach?

RB: I think it is a motivator, purely for the fact that we've got a reference. I've always been a fan of Nico [Rosberg] and I fought hard to get his contract renewal and feel vindicated now Lewis is in the team because people are saying how good Nico is, and that's what we always felt.

But also Lewis brings a great reference to the team and is a great driver, someone whose raw ability you know is at the very top. We will not be lacking in achieving our ambitions and objectives because of drivers. We'd only be lacking because we haven't built a strong enough car or because we haven't operated as a team strongly enough. So it's great.

I think it was a little unfortunate with Michael [Schumacher] because we didn't have these references. Michael had a tough time sometimes with Nico. Was that because Michael wasn't as good as he was? Or because Nico was better than people gave him credit for? I think everyone recognises now that Nico was better than people gave him credit for.

AS. Does Hamilton require managing at a higher level than other drivers?

RB: No, I find him pretty straightforward. Every driver is an individual and you have to tune your approach to suit the individual. I'm not going into details of the differences, but it's nothing unusual.

He has his approach, and it's an approach that works very well with the team and with the people we've put to work with him.

He's got the raw ability, he's got the talent, and everything else he does is certainly of a standard where he'll be able to get the results when we've got the car.

AS: You clearly have the fastest car on a single lap, but tyre form remains variable in races...

RB: It's almost like the Coanda exhaust, the fact we struggled with it really forced us to get our heads down and understand what was going on. When Paddy [Lowe] joined us he was very impressed with the level of understanding that we had of the car and the tools and simulation.


The W04 has been on pole seven times © LAT
We've got to do the same with the tyres, and when we come out the other side, that experience will make us a much stronger team.

Those teams that are not having problems while other teams struggle, do they understand why? If they don't, then they're in danger of tripping over something they don't understand. Whereas we'll probably have a better understanding and the pain will be worth the gain that we'll make.

AS: Is how the car behaves with the tyres in the design's basic DNA?

RB: It is, because Formula 1 doesn't allow you enough scope to perfectly scan every solution on suspension geometry, every solution on suspension compliance, every philosophy of suspension. We haven't had that opportunity, particular these days with very little testing. You don't get the opportunity to go away for a week and see how the tyres are performing and really investigate what are the sore points or nerves you touch that make the difference.

The only way you can get there is through simulations and modelling. When those tools and facilities are built, then when things change you're in a better position to react, because you've built the means to understand what's going on.

Maybe I'm wrong and in a few years' time other teams will say 'we knew exactly what was going on'. I'm not sure because if that was the case why can't they get it in qualifying and why do they get it in the race? I'm not certain that any teams really have an absolute understanding of what's going on.

AS: With the car you've got now, the drivers and the current form, would you be disappointed if you didn't give this championship a good push to the end?

RB: We will do. There's some good things coming on the car in the next few races that I think are going to be a reasonable step. We've got the two low-drag races coming up and our low-drag package looks pretty respectable.

There'll be a point where, as with all teams, we'll be making a decision whether we carry on pushing with this car.

There are a couple of different elements: what is exclusive to this car and what are things that you can do which are going to carry over into next year? Clearly any understanding of the tyres is going to be a benefit next year. But if we attempt to design a new front wing, that's got a limited life. That would be much less of a priority.

I think for the rest of the season we'll have to take a balanced approach over what's needed this year and what's needed for this year and next year.

But I think we'll have a much more respectable second half. We're scored more points already than we did last year, and we're just over halfway through. I think we've got a strong enough organisation to ensure we won't let it slip.
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By Jabberwocky
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I do not think anyone including Mclaren would of guessed at how much of a write off this season is for them.

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By What's Burning?
#369902
It's clear they've been focused long term and this year has surprised them immensely.
By Hammer278
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Red Bull says Lewis Hamilton has what it takes to win the Formula One World Championship


Red Bull's Dr. Helmut Marko has tipped Mercedes to bet everything on Lewis Hamilton taking a shot at the 2013 Formula One world championship.
On the face of it, the German squad does not have a No. 1 driver, but with less than half the season left to go, and arguably now the fastest car, the last-start winner is Lewis Hamilton.
The Briton's deficit to title leader Sebastian Vettel, however, is 48 points.
Marko told Auto Bild, "We are taking Mercedes very seriously.
"Last year we were 44 points behind [Fernando] Alonso after the summer break, and yet we were world champion in the end. That's how fast things can change.
"Now is their chance, and they will put everything on Hamilton," Marko predicted.
But a bold statement like that, particularly from the outspoken archenemy, might be seen as a mere attempt to unsettle Mercedes, with Hamilton's teammate Nico Rosberg having won two grands prix so far this season.
It is understandable that the German team is playing down its chances.
Asked if Mercedes can win the 2013 title, chairman Niki Lauda answered plainly, "No. Red Bull are still stronger overall," he told Auto Motor und Sport, "and they have this point advantage.
"On paper we have a chance, but in reality it is very difficult," Lauda insisted.
For now, then, there is no talk of team orders.
"We have a clear situation: everything stays open unless it gets really serious," said Lauda.
Tellingly, however, Lauda admitted that Mercedes is still pushing ahead with development of the 2013 car, even with the huge challenge of 2014 now looming large.
"With every race we are taking the car forwards," he said, "but the next three races will be decisive.
"Eventually, we will also need to think about where we are putting our resources. We try to postpone it as long as possible, but at some point, the time will have come."
He admitted the key to unlocking the W04's winning potential has been understanding the Pirelli tires.
"We know more, but not everything. I would say we are at about 70 percent," said Lauda. "At the beginning of the season we understood nothing."
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By sagi58
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Jonathan Noble and Glenn Freeman wrote:">Brawn: Rosberg proves Schumacher pace

Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn believes Nico Rosberg's performances alongside Lewis Hamilton in 2013 prove that Michael Schumacher's Formula 1 comeback was stronger than it sometimes looked.

Speaking in an exclusive interview with AUTOSPORT, Brawn said that having a benchmark like Hamilton in the team has made it much clearer just how strong Rosberg is, and that in turn reflects positively on Schumacher's time at Mercedes.

"Lewis brings a great reference to the team and is a great driver, someone whose raw ability you know is at the very top," said Brawn.

"I think it was a little unfortunate with Michael because we didn't have these references. Michael had a tough time sometimes with Nico.

"Was that because Michael wasn't as good as he was? Or because Nico was better than people gave him credit for?

"I think everyone recognises now that Nico was better than people gave him credit for."

Brawn added that he was convinced that Rosberg was capable of competing with the top drivers in F1.

"I've always been a fan of Nico and I fought hard to get his contract renewal," he said.

"I feel vindicated now Lewis is in the team because people are saying how good Nico is, and that's what we always felt."


There's more; but, I don't have a subscription: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109284
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By sagi58
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And...

Jonathan Noble and Glenn Freeman wrote:">It's Schumacher not Rosberg we need to reappraisepace

Nico Rosberg's strong performances against Lewis Hamilton have raised a few eyebrows. As Jonathan Noble explains, the German's form also suggests a certain comeback was not as weak as many people thought

A few hours after the Monaco Grand Prix, Lewis Hamilton was up on the top floor of the Mercedes engineering unit in the pits, reflecting on the day's events for his regular briefing with the British press.

He was pretty glum, as was to be expected, having seen the glory of Mercedes' first 2013 victory being taken by team-mate Nico Rosberg, while a slow in-lap for a pitstop had cost him valuable time and left him off the podium.

There's more; but, I don't have a subscription: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/featu ... eappraise/
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By racechick
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And...

Jonathan Noble and Glenn Freeman wrote:">It's Schumacher not Rosberg we need to reappraisepace

Nico Rosberg's strong performances against Lewis Hamilton have raised a few eyebrows. As Jonathan Noble explains, the German's form also suggests a certain comeback was not as weak as many people thought

A few hours after the Monaco Grand Prix, Lewis Hamilton was up on the top floor of the Mercedes engineering unit in the pits, reflecting on the day's events for his regular briefing with the British press.

He was pretty glum, as was to be expected, having seen the glory of Mercedes' first 2013 victory being taken by team-mate Nico Rosberg, while a slow in-lap for a pitstop had cost him valuable time and left him off the podium.

There's more; but, I don't have a subscription: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/featu ... eappraise/



I've printed out the whole interview a few posts back.
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By racechick
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Autosport devaluing Schumacher? There's a shocker(!) :rolleyes:


No, read the article!! it's exactly the opposite. They're saying in view of Rosberg's strong showing against Hamilton, Schumachers return needs to be revalued. In simple words, he did better than he was given credit for.
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By sagi58
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I've printed out the whole interview a few posts back.

ooooooooops!!! :blush: My apologies!!! :blush:
I thought it sounded familiar!! :blush:
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By sagi58
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Autosport devaluing Schumacher? There's a shocker(!) :rolleyes:


No, read the article!! it's exactly the opposite. They're saying in view of Rosberg's strong showing against Hamilton, Schumachers return needs to be revalued. In simple words, he did better than he was given credit for.

:clap::wavey::clap:

Probably why I ""thought"" it should be posted again!!
((does that work as an "excuse"? :twisted: ))
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