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[Denthúl]

Last week - They didnt crash in the pit so no need to penalise.

That is inaccurate: a financial penalty of 10,000 Euros was imposed on Massa as a result of his pit-lane incident in Valencia. I think it was appropriate.

Why is it appropriate to only fine Massa when Bruno Senna was given a drive thru penalty for something similar in yesterday's GP2 race?

To be honest, it was not appropriate. There should have been no penalty whatsoever. I've explained this before but, seeing as you appear to be new, I shall go through it again for your benefit

Basically, throughout the entirity of this Formula 1 season, there have been unsafe pit releases at almost every Grand Prix. Nobody has been penalised for these. Therefore, to issue Massa with a penalty would prove inconsistent.

On the other hand, people have previously been penalised for this kind of incident in GP2, therefore to not penalise Senna would prove inconsistent.

You see?

True, so what about Kimi a couple of corners later who used more or less all of the run off area to keep his foot flat to the floor and rejoin about half a second behind Hamilton.

More like more than half of the field, seeing as the majority of drivers had some kind of off-track excursion today. Which is why the ruling needs to be much clearer. To simply say that they must use only the track is not acceptable, when going off the track can often be unavoidable.

[dant]

To quote Sir Alex Ferguson, "Well, that's complete bollocks, isn't it." Hamilton was forced to use the escape road; if he did not, he would have crashed into Raikkonen. Had he done that, he would have been penalised for causing an avoidable collision. As things were, Hamilton had gained an advantage, but it gave back Raikkonen first place and pulled off a great move to reclaim first place again at La Source. What about whenever Michael Schumacher pulled off similar maneuvers several times? Why did the FIA not think to apply this ruling back then?

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Frosty]

Please excuse my language but the FIA is total Bull S**T and needs to be reformed and the corruption removed this penalty has really put me off F1 and takes all enjoyment out of a great race!

[onelapdown]

Stewards' justification:

It is believed that although the British driver let Raikkonen back through to the lead of the race after rejoining the track, stewards still felt he had benefited from going off track as he repassed the Finn almost immediately.

:/

It's really not Hamilton's fault that Kimi was ultra-meek into La Source.

[Mikep99]

Holy Sh!t I just woke up to this. Was not expecting it at all & I don't agree from what I saw last night, it looked like good exciting racing to me.

[robzki]

Hi

I've spent thous' in the last few yrs goin to silverstone, watched just about every qualy/race for yrs. just for a chance to see a race like today, edge of the seat, nail biting racing. it was an amazing race finale. with immense sportsmanship and balls of steel stuff.
Been on a high all day until 30mins ago. and to be honest its the straw that breaks the camels back for me. I have honestly had enough. I'll reassess the situation when the so called sport is finally run by the fans/drivers, but for this yr its all over. Its not just this decicion but its a culmination of the last 10yrs. I realise that there are going to be thousands of people just mad and venting off, saying they will boycott etc. but for every empty promise/threat on a forum somewhere. there will be 10 that actually do it, without making a fuss. just because they've had enough of ecclestone, mosely and the fia. I'm sure I can find better things to do with 6hrs of my weekend after working hard all week than sit and watch 20 or 22 of the best drivers in the world attempt to put on a show for millions worldwide. while being organised by people I honestly wouldn't trust to run a bath.

thanks and goodnight

Rob

[Mikep99]

Idiotic decision by the FIA and typical idiotic respond by McLaren supporters. If you think the majority of tifosi are completely amoral souls and have no honour because somehow they have a decsion in what took place in Spa then I think the majority of McLaren supporters are completely stupid for coming with this conclusion.

I don't know how the tifosi live with themselves. The majority of them are completely amoral souls and have no honour. Enjoy your victory.

As pointed out, the majority of Ferrari fans disagree with the penalty. So much for your "amoral souls" rant.

From what I've been reading online this evening, most Ferrari fans don't believe there was anything for which Hamilton could be penalised, but were happy to see him get penalised. So, I'm afraid, the majority of the tifosi have not got one iota of sportsmanship.

McLaren fan, I don't agree with the decision either mate but please don't get all righteous and high and mighty on us mate, because your one of the most bias persons on this forum.
Some of your comments are trully spuworthy

[McLaren Fan]

Well, according to one Ferrari forum I've been reading recently, 58% of its posters believe the penalty is just. If you don't think that serves to show that much of the tifosi are amoral, blinkered fools, then I don't know what will.

[Mikep99]

Well, according to one Ferrari forum I've been reading recently, 58% of its posters believe the penalty is just. If you don't think that serves to show that much of the tifosi are amoral, blinkered fools, then I don't know what will.

Mate I am commenting on your well know bias, so don't throw to much mud around regarding some Ferrari supporters bias views

[McLaren Fan]

Well, according to one Ferrari forum I've been reading recently, 58% of its posters believe the penalty is just. If you don't think that serves to show that much of the tifosi are amoral, blinkered fools, then I don't know what will.

Mate I am commenting on your well know bias, so don't throw to much mud around regarding some Ferrari supporters bias views

Like I said before, when McLaren do something wrong, I am the first to admit it. The only reason I may seem biased to you is because in the last year or two (the time I've been on this forum), I've seen nothing but decisions being made which general go in Ferrari's favour, compromising the efforts of McLaren and Renault to win titles.

[bud]

I think this might be the last straw i cannot stand to watch Formula Ferrari anymore!

[McLaren Fan]

I think this might be the last straw i cannot stand to watch Formula Ferrari anymore!

I'm really getting tired of the sport. There have been times in the past where I've felt like turning off and never watching Formula One again, but I've never felt able to for several reasons. I'm not just disappointed and very angry for Hamilton and McLaren, but I feel embarrassed to be a Formula One fan. I was watching the race today with my brother who wonders why I watch something that is fixed and my uncle who likes to stick the boot into the sport whenever he can. They're having a field day at the moment.

[bud]

yeah well they are right and i agree, i think the passion is dying im losing interest with this formula ferrari

[Jabberwocky]

what a complete sham this is.......

Kimi stacked it so even if Lewis had let him go, Lewis would still of been P1 at the end. so what difference does it make that he did "make an unfair advantage"

PS I do not think he made an unfair advantage anyway

[bmwpower]

From what I've been reading online this evening, most Ferrari fans don't believe there was anything for which Hamilton could be penalised, but were happy to see him get penalised. So, I'm afraid, the majority of the tifosi have not got one iota of sportsmanship.

While I agreed that there are some tifosi on this board and Mcupporters don't see eye to eye, everyone cheers for their team in any sport no matter how they win, we just need to seperate what happened in Spa is between the FIA and Mclaren not the tifosi or Ferrari because they did not lodge any complains.