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[Ferrari man 009]

Anyone who has witnessed horny spices recent blatant twisting and manipulation and shameless about faces, and actually saying to the press that Honda would be complaining about a freeze to catch up with Merc

Cheats, full stop. Just like ferrari, they have sold their soul to Bernie and receive special favours allowing them to win the last 4 years, flexy wings, hidden handles, TC, magic buttons, driver changeable engine maps, they cant win without cheating and thats obvious from the sheer nerve and entitlement we have seen from the odious horner

Before you get too carried away with labeling various teams as 'cheats' just remember that Mercedes are the reigning champions of cheating with their illegal 4 day private testing session in Spain last season. Blacked out helmets and all!

McLaren have cheated in the past as well too, shall we label Ron Dennis a cheat too?

Or shall we just agree that all top teams and drivers push the rules to their advantage and in their pursuit for victory sometimes push the rules too far

[CookinFlat6]

Anyone who has witnessed horny spices recent blatant twisting and manipulation and shameless about faces, and actually saying to the press that Honda would be complaining about a freeze to catch up with Merc

Cheats, full stop. Just like ferrari, they have sold their soul to Bernie and receive special favours allowing them to win the last 4 years, flexy wings, hidden handles, TC, magic buttons, driver changeable engine maps, they cant win without cheating and thats obvious from the sheer nerve and entitlement we have seen from the odious horner

Before you get too carried away with labeling various teams as 'cheats' just remember that Mercedes are the reigning champions of cheating with their illegal 4 day private testing session in Spain last season. Blacked out helmets and all!

This is not true, but its what we have come to expect. Can you prove it was cheating? maybe produce the verdict from the tribunal or a statement from the FIA, you cant because you are as usual delivering and thats not just my opinion, its a fact

In fact If you wrote that on headed paper and sent it to the papers or published it and distruibuted it or even sent it to Mercedes with your address, they would be able to sue your bottom successfully and empty your bank account. Because its the internet you are able to lie and talk

dont waste time responding to my posts with unthought about, halfbaked, ignorant information that could make me break the law just by associating with someone that 'sue-able'

guess you wont have anything to say rather than a joke, you just dont get how this works - I can say RBR are cheats and if it sounds flippant to you, it doesnt mean you have to respond with something that sounds flippant to you, because i think before I say and say the truth whereas you just say which is often untrue

RBR have been successfully charged with cheating so I can say RBR are cheats - you can blow hot air and

McLaren have cheated in the past as well too, shall we label Ron Dennis a cheat too?
Or shall we just agree that all top teams and drivers push the rules to their advantage and in their pursuit for victory sometimes push the rules too far

You probably knowslightly more that the other guy so please refer to the reply above

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Anyone who has witnessed horny spices recent blatant twisting and manipulation and shameless about faces, and actually saying to the press that Honda would be complaining about a freeze to catch up with Merc

Cheats, full stop. Just like ferrari, they have sold their soul to Bernie and receive special favours allowing them to win the last 4 years, flexy wings, hidden handles, TC, magic buttons, driver changeable engine maps, they cant win without cheating and thats obvious from the sheer nerve and entitlement we have seen from the odious horner

Before you get too carried away with labeling various teams as 'cheats' just remember that Mercedes are the reigning champions of cheating with their illegal 4 day private testing session in Spain last season. Blacked out helmets and all!

This is not true, but its what we have come to expect. Can you prove it was cheating? maybe produce the verdict from the tribunal or a statement from the FIA, you cant because you are as usual delivering and thats not just my opinion, its a fact

In fact If you wrote that on headed paper and sent it to the papers or published it and distruibuted it or even sent it to Mercedes with your address, they would be able to sue your bottom successfully and empty your bank account. Because its the internet you are able to lie and talk

dont waste time responding to my posts with unthought about, halfbaked, ignorant information that could make me break the law just by associating with someone that 'sue-able'

guess you wont have anything to say rather than a joke, you just dont get how this works - I can say RBR are cheats and if it sounds flippant to you, it doesnt mean you have to respond with something that sounds flippant to you, because i think before I say and say the truth whereas you just say which is often untrue

RBR have been successfully charged with cheating so I can say RBR are cheats - you can blow hot air and

Again cooking you are just not good at reading comprehension I think. Merc was indeed found guilty by the tribunal.

Here is an article about it for you to read.

F1 2013: Mercedes and Pirelli Found Guilty of Illegal Tyre Testing

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mercedes-banne ... ate-481688

[CookinFlat6]

You just dont get much do you OB?

Cheating is different from infringing the rules, one earns a punsihment and one earns a penalty

in football if you accidently handle the ball thats an uiinfringment - you get a yellow card 0- thats a sprting penalty - it gives the opposition an advantage to make up for the one you inadvertently got

If you knowingly handle the ball to gain advantage thats cheating

Merc and Pirelli caused an infringement, RBR cheated, Ferrari cheated

Anyway I thought you would come back with proof of the you post - where does it say Merc cheated or where found to have cheated or where punished for cheating?

As usual you have posted

Mercedes have escaped with a ban from July's young driver test after being found guilty by the FIA for conducting out of competition testing with Pirelli tyres.

Both Mercedes and Pirelli have been reprimanded by Formula 1's governing body, but have avoided substantial punishments which could have included exclusion from future races while costs from the tribunal have been shared among the parties involved.

Why do you think they avoided the substantial punishments mentioned in your link??? because they weren't cheating, they unknowingly infringed and received a reprimand

wise up please, its getting emarrasing

[CookinFlat6]

We have had this discussion on here with a different group of expertz who finally yielded in the face of the evidence, but for the overboost generation here goes;

The tribunal said that:
Mercedes had broken article 22.4 of the sporting regulations by running an illegal in-season test with a current car
The FIA's qualified approval did not and could not override article 22.4
Mercedes "did obtain some material advantage" which "at least potentially gave it an unfair sporting advantage"
The tribunal found in mitigation that:
There was no intention by either Pirelli or Mercedes to gain "any unfair sporting advantage"
Neither Pirelli not Mercedes acted in bad faith
Pirelli and Mercedes "disclosed to the FIA at least the essence of what they intended to do in relation to the test and attempted to obtain permission for it; and Mercedes had no reason to believe that approval had not been given"
The action of FIA race director Charlie Whiting, who had indicated the test would be permissible, were "taken in good faith and with the intention of assisting the parties and consistent with sporting fairness"
The tribunal said it was "unable to express any opinion" as to whether testing carried out by Ferrari with a two-year-old car in 2012 and 2013 was "properly authorised". But it said it was "equally unsatisfactory" that Whiting had given his consent to this even though the tribunal "had no evidence before it which indicates his opinion had in fact been wrong".
The decision to split the costs equally suggests the tribunal felt the FIA was not completely blameless in the episode.

now to avoid you trying to cheat your way out of your lies about Merc here is the definition of cheating

cheat
tʃiːt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
"she always cheats at cards"

compare that to the specific wording of the tribunal to indicate the outcome to those without 2 short planks of wood in the way of the message

The tribunal found in mitigation that:
There was no intention by either Pirelli or Mercedes to gain "any unfair sporting advantage"

Now either produce some similar quality evidence showing Merc CHEATED or do us all the favour of slinking off onto your next embarrasing mea culpa

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You just dont get much do you OB?

Cheating is different from infringing the rules, one earns a punsihment and one earns a penalty

in football if you accidently handle the ball thats an uiinfringment - you get a yellow card 0- thats a sprting penalty - it gives the opposition an advantage to make up for the one you inadvertently got

If you knowingly handle the ball to gain advantage thats cheating

Merc and Pirelli caused an infringement, RBR cheated, Ferrari cheated

Anyway I thought you would come back with proof of the you post - where does it say Merc cheated or where found to have cheated or where punished for cheating?

As usual you have posted

Mercedes have escaped with a ban from July's young driver test after being found guilty by the FIA for conducting out of competition testing with Pirelli tyres.

Both Mercedes and Pirelli have been reprimanded by Formula 1's governing body, but have avoided substantial punishments which could have included exclusion from future races while costs from the tribunal have been shared among the parties involved.

Why do you think they avoided the substantial punishments mentioned in your link??? because they weren't cheating, they unknowingly infringed and received a reprimand

wise up please, its getting emarrasing

Yes they were found guilty of cheating and its the type of cheating that gained an advantage as you pointed out above. They even hired security and had special helmets done up to try and protect the reps of their drivers should anyone be watching. Rotten to the core.

Yes the punishment was shockingly light wasn't it, the impartial international tribunal just wasn't so impartial allowing Merc to hand out their own punishment. Such is the 'business' of F1. But they were judged and they did receive a punishment which seals their guilt.

Time for a 'cookin culpa' as you say I would think!

Ps. Infringing a rule is for example putting all four wheels over the track limits, cheating is planning and carrying out illegal testing using a 2013 car in season for three straight days and then using your newly found time to win three races!

[What's Burning?]

I bring you news of despair. The angst you feel now will only deepen and during the final moments, the final laps when you know that your worst nightmares have manifested, when the driver you hate will win it in style, and the team you labeled a cheat has won despite the countless baseless allegations. I will feel joy, I will feel serenity and I will savor your suffering and gain strength from your malaise.

[CookinFlat6]

Ps. Infringing a rule is for example putting all four wheels over the track limits, cheating is planning and carrying out illegal testing using a 2013 car in season for three straight days and then using your newly found time to win three races!

Thats your opinion which means about as much as a single grain of sand when compared to the FACTUAL OUT COME

The tribunal found in mitigation that:
There was no intention by either Pirelli or Mercedes to gain "any unfair sporting advantage"
Neither Pirelli not Mercedes acted in bad faith

So guess what OB you are not only posting you are also committing libel

libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for "general damages" for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called "special damages." "Libel per se" involves statements so vicious that malice is assumed and does not require a proof of intent to get an award of general damages. Libel against the reputation of a person who has died will allow surviving members of the family to bring an action for damages

You are a liability and an embarrassment to this site by continuing with this, I suggest you cease and desist immediately

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You are a loyal soldier cooking, but it doesn't serve you well. I would suggest though that you read some of the information from your own posts.

You have posted information that from the testing Mercedes gained material advantage and an unfair sporting advantage. Also you posted that Mercedes also had to pay legal fees as guilty parties are required to do.

Also Mercedes fessed up and apologized for their decision to prepare and provide their drivers with special blacked out helmets for the three days in Spain. They also kept their testing secret from the other teams in contravention of the rules.

Mercedes clearly fits the definition of cheating in this case: "Cheating is the getting of reward for ability by dishonest means or finding an easy way out of an unpleasant situation. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation." Tires were the single overwhelming issue in 2013 and Merc was the worst for chewing them up, the advantage they got from their exclusive midseason test was three wins!

They cheated the rules and gained an unfair sporting advantage and were found guilty of this and as well as bringing the sport into disrepute.

I know this is hard for you to hear as it seems you may have an agenda to smear the other teams while holding Mercedes as somehow innocent or sporting but it just isn't so. They are as dirty as the rest. Dirtier.

[What's Burning?]

Mercedes clearly fits the definition of cheating in this case: "Cheating is the getting of reward for ability by dishonest means or finding an easy way out of an unpleasant situation. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation." Tires were the single overwhelming issue in 2013 and Merc was the worst for chewing them up, the advantage they got from their exclusive midseason test was three wins!

They cheated the rules and gained an unfair sporting advantage and were found guilty of this and as well as bringing the sport into disrepute.

I know this is hard for you to hear as it seems you have an agenda to smear the other teams while holding Mercedes as somehow innocent or sporting but it just isn't so. They are as dirty as the rest. Dirtier.

And they are winning and making the teams spending twice as much look so foolish in the process that they have to beg borrow or be disqualified for cheating. Ahhh Mercedes, is there anything you can't do?

Ohh overboost your agony is making my joy all the brighter. OMG, I get butterflies in my stomach and I'm sitting here all goose pimply from the thought of how much you're suffering. Tee-hee. You'll be here tomorrow for the celebrations right?

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I will be here to congratulate the winner.

[CookinFlat6]

They cheated the rules

does this even sound half right in any way????

There seems to be an epidermic of butthurt around here leading people to do anything rather than take their slaps and withdraw gracefully

whats wrong with having integrity, you have been asked to produce any evidence or proof and all you can do is ramble on incoherently and irrationally about blahblahblah. Apologies in advance if whatever you say from now on is approached with the reasonable assumption that its similar to your effort over this simple statement of fact that I made and hthat has got you in a tizzy.

At the same time its obvious now that Red Bull are indeed the team you support , makes a lot of sense

So the truth about RBR has upset you, but they are proven cheats, there is no reason to break the laws of decency and morality, by a kneejerk handbag swing reaction of smearing Merc. It doesnt bother me I am not particularly fond of any team, I am only fixated on the truth and acting within rules we know are good for society as a whole

So RBR are cheating and no matter how many times you think it, you are talking and breaking the law with your butthurt, save it till tomorrow when Seb leaves a cheating team to go to a basket case

have this for tomoorow

[Ferrari man 009]

McLaren have cheated in the past as well too, shall we label Ron Dennis a cheat too?
Or shall we just agree that all top teams and drivers push the rules to their advantage and in their pursuit for victory sometimes push the rules too far

You probably knowslightly more that the other guy so please refer to the reply above

Ok then, Einstein, please give me an example of when Ferrari have been disqualified or penalised for cheating. I can give two examples for McLaren. 2007 (the biggest cheating scandal either) and 2009 Australia. The only DQ involving Ferrari was Schumacher, and that was nothing to do with the team. It was a mistake by Schumacher that he later admitted he regretted.

[Roth]

Anyhoo

Nice pole by Nico. But Hamilton has it in the bag tomorrow. Just a regular weekend with a WDC at the end of it.

[LiamCatterson]

Its funny how the FIA are now being harsh to Red Bull when he's off....loool