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#113886
I read an article on planetf1.com today that suggest McLaren escaped any real punishment because Ron Dennis stepped down. Had Ron Dennis not stepped stepped down, the punishment most likely would of been applied. What a joke. How does Dennis stepping down justify that Trulli would of been robbed of his podium had McLaren gotten away with this. I am not really interested in the FIA's personal vendetta towards Ron Dennis. Fact is McLaren should of been punished. But you know cheaters will always be cheats. Hopefully McLaren will do it again in the 12 month period and get caught so the suspended sentance becomes a real penalty. :thumbup:


I think Mclaren were punished, Thrown out of the Australian GP. and put on "Probation" so to speak. A punishment I might add that was more severe than Schumacher's penalty for when he was caught lying. There were quite a few Steward's calls last year that favored Ferrari and I didn't hear you at the time cursing FIA and their calls Instead you went on about FIA's love for Ferrari and how they help Ferrari because "Ferrari is God" in F1, so now that you think FIA is siding with Mclaren does that mean Ferrari is no longer FIA's favorite team?
#113888
I think it is fairly well documented in here that I am no fan of Hamilton. However, I have in the past been a McLaren fan and hope to be so in the future again. Dennis, while certainly skilled, was also somewhat of a moron. He intentionally got sideways with the governing body of his sport pretty much as often as he could manage it and his team payed the consequences. Saying the FIA had it out for Ron Dennis is only half the story....he had it out for the FIA and deserved their dislike. For the past several years, McLaren has been a shadow of its former self. Yes, they won a WDC, barely.....and only after stealing secrets from Ferrari, getting caught, losing a WDC while looking foolish, the Alonso/Hamilton fiasco, a two time WDC breaking his contract and leaving their team etc etc. McLaren's leadership quality has fallen drastically over the past several years and while they have incurred the wrath of the FIA, they have never once been undeserving. Ron is a legend in the sport, but he has lost his management focus. He has allowed a once stellar team to fall into drama after drama. He has allowed his driver and that driver's father to direct team actions through the media. He had to go. A team with a weak leader is a weak team.

It is my hope that his replacement can get a firm hand on the reigns and bring the team back to what it once was. That will require smacking Hamilton senior upside his melon and telling him to shut the Eff up. Which other drivers manager is so constantly opening his hole and spewing so much garbage to the media? He is a manager, keep silent and manage your damn driver. Keep Hamilton juniors attitude in check and keep him focused on not being such a twat (mad max, cover your sensitive eyes). I would consider banning the idiot from the garage area (hence the camera) for good...maybe that will chill his media attention fever.

McLaren has the money and the resources to catch the front of the grid this year...Brawn simply can not spend that kind of cash and I doubt that RedBull can either. Ferrari seem to have a worse leadership problem than McLaren has had, so I doubt they will recover at all this year. The only question is, can new leadership keep McLaren focused? Whitmarsh needs to smack both of his drivers around....one of them needs to shut up and focus and the other needs to wake up and drive. Any more team drama that attracts the FIA's attention this year and McLaren is liable to lose sponsorship and spiral to the back of the pack (where they can battle with Ferrari for 18th place).


I agree 100% I think team Hamilton could really use a good PR person, I think Lewis has the skill to continue to win, but his off-track antics leave a lot to be desired and seem to distract him. Maybe this latest hearing were Whitmarsh went in without lawyers and admitted guilt will continue to take them in an "honest" direction, maybe this will teach Mclaren that if you're just honest and up front, you can avoid $100 million penalties. If Mclaren were upfront and honest about OZ from the beginning they would have had a better chance of obtaining 3rd place (and keeping it) than their idiotic "deny everything no matter what strategy."
#113912
I dont think AKR meant a bad thing. Twat and twit are very confusing. I thought they both meant idiot, and i know lots of other people who thouight the same. And all are English speakers! Now i know twat is a bad word, so best not say it (but in my head it just seems like idiot :confused: )


I always thought it meant pregnant fish???
Twit is like 'silly boy'
#113954
I dont think AKR meant a bad thing. Twat and twit are very confusing. I thought they both meant idiot, and i know lots of other people who thouight the same. And all are English speakers! Now i know twat is a bad word, so best not say it (but in my head it just seems like idiot :confused: )


I always thought it meant pregnant fish???
Twit is like 'silly boy'

That pregnant fish thing is pretty much an urban legend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twat

Incidentally, the UK Usage of "you twat" or whatever is synonymous with "you twit" and is not meant to be with "you c**t"
#114069
I read an article on planetf1.com today that suggest McLaren escaped any real punishment because Ron Dennis stepped down. Had Ron Dennis not stepped stepped down, the punishment most likely would of been applied. What a joke. How does Dennis stepping down justify that Trulli would of been robbed of his podium had McLaren gotten away with this. I am not really interested in the FIA's personal vendetta towards Ron Dennis. Fact is McLaren should of been punished. But you know cheaters will always be cheats. Hopefully McLaren will do it again in the 12 month period and get caught so the suspended sentance becomes a real penalty. :thumbup:



I think it is fairly well documented in here that I am no fan of Hamilton. However, I have in the past been a McLaren fan and hope to be so in the future again. Dennis, while certainly skilled, was also somewhat of a moron. He intentionally got sideways with the governing body of his sport pretty much as often as he could manage it and his team payed the consequences. Saying the FIA had it out for Ron Dennis is only half the story....he had it out for the FIA and deserved their dislike. For the past several years, McLaren has been a shadow of its former self. Yes, they won a WDC, barely.....and only after stealing secrets from Ferrari, getting caught, losing a WDC while looking foolish, the Alonso/Hamilton fiasco, a two time WDC breaking his contract and leaving their team etc etc. McLaren's leadership quality has fallen drastically over the past several years and while they have incurred the wrath of the FIA, they have never once been undeserving. Ron is a legend in the sport, but he has lost his management focus. He has allowed a once stellar team to fall into drama after drama. He has allowed his driver and that driver's father to direct team actions through the media. He had to go. A team with a weak leader is a weak team.

It is my hope that his replacement can get a firm hand on the reigns and bring the team back to what it once was. That will require smacking Hamilton senior upside his melon and telling him to shut the Eff up. Which other drivers manager is so constantly opening his hole and spewing so much garbage to the media? He is a manager, keep silent and manage your damn driver. Keep Hamilton juniors attitude in check and keep him focused on not being such a twat (mad max, cover your sensitive eyes). I would consider banning the idiot from the garage area (hence the camera) for good...maybe that will chill his media attention fever.

McLaren has the money and the resources to catch the front of the grid this year...Brawn simply can not spend that kind of cash and I doubt that RedBull can either. Ferrari seem to have a worse leadership problem than McLaren has had, so I doubt they will recover at all this year. The only question is, can new leadership keep McLaren focused? Whitmarsh needs to smack both of his drivers around....one of them needs to shut up and focus and the other needs to wake up and drive. Any more team drama that attracts the FIA's attention this year and McLaren is liable to lose sponsorship and spiral to the back of the pack (where they can battle with Ferrari for 18th place).


If you ever achieve a fraction of what Ron Dennis has achieved, maybe then you will have earned the right to call him a moron, until then :wavey-finger:
#114084

If you ever achieve a fraction of what Ron Dennis has achieved, maybe then you will have earned the right to call him a moron, until then :wavey-finger:


Another well intentioned, well reasoned post by the resident psycho stalker racing expert. When you have turned a lap within 20 seconds of my times....then you can tell me s*** about racing. Until then, couch potato... :wavey-finger:
#114093
I spoke to my team over the radio, told them a mod had just given me the finger for not liking her favorite racer's ex-boss and my team manager misled me... he told me to respond in exactly the same manner with which she was treating me....and I did. So, I apologize for my team making me do the wrong thing. :D

I was provoked I tell ya....

Take it easy Bill I know it's not easy to do sometimes yet atleast try ok :wink: ?


tex


Acknowledged. :(
#114100
Dont be sad be happy!!! :)



I can't man....it's a tween races weekend. There are no track events this weekend here, it's raining and cold so motocross isn't going to happen, our hockey team sucked balls this year so no playoffs to watch AND there is no Formula One. I mean...what do normal people do with their weekends when no racing to do or watch? I guess I could throw the car up on the lift and.....polish the oil pan or something. Too cold for camping, not cold enough for snowboarding, too cold for the motorcycle....hold up, maybe a flight to cozumel for some diving and a quick case of swine flu? On second thought....maybe I'll hang here and poke fun at Texans. Um...no, that might not be such a great idea either. Oh, I heard some Dallas team was going to get spanked by some denver team in B-Ball....if only I cared about B-ball...I could tease ya a bit. I think like 5 guys race up and down a wooden court...without race tires or even refueling stops...it just sounds too boring for me to get interested.
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