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[Hammer278]

That would be a willi wanker.

Goddamnit I wanted to say that but thought it's against forum rules.

[What's Burning?]

Wait... what exactly is a w***er? I mean I watched Skins every now and then so I heard it a lot. But I realized I don't know the exact translation into English. Is it just a person that masturbates?

[1Lemon]

Wait... what exactly is a w***er? I mean I watched Skins every now and then so I heard it a lot. But I realized I don't know the exact translation into English. Is it just a person that masturbates?

Basically yeah, but as an insult it's like a harsher Son Of A Bitch which you are all so keen on

[What's Burning?]

It just sounds comical, a bit tame, so is it a word you can say on the BBC or is it bleeped out?

[LRW]

It just sounds comical, a bit tame, so is it a word you can say on the BBC or is it bleeped out?

Im sure it's a bleeper word.

I agree - w@nker is a bit of a sloppy insult. I prefer. You *censored*.

[operaman]

...You forgot to add that $60 million of that came from owning the YES network. Perhaps Ferrari should research the Yankees model for revenue generation, instead of begging for favours.

Not sure of the actual numbers; but, you'd think selling a "few" Ferrari's would top that, no?

1 or 2 perhaps. Btw the Yes Network is a TV network, not an underground organization dedicated to a formerly popular, self-indulgent, pop-art, Brit-band. Getting close to the edge with that comment.

The figures I quoted were purely MLB games TV coverage. You pointing out that NY gets an additional $60Mil over and above the bonus they get for simply being the Yankees simply proves that some teams in sport do better than others because they negotiate better contracts and/or have a lot more fans. It is not unique to Ferrari in F1.

As sagi58 also points out, Ferrari sell heaps of cars and makes a mountain of money out of that, Red Bull sells multi-billions of $ of their drinks. When some look at the advantages teams like Ferrari have built they just carp on and on about how Ferrari have done better and built better financial positions, negotiated better contracts and got more fans. Instead of trying to turn F1 into a communist economic model, they should start venting at their teams management. If Ferrari and Red Bull can negotiate a better deal out of the new Concorde, then why can't my team do the same or better?

As I pointed out earlier, Mercedes held out for a better deal than some other teams in the Concorde. They held the whole sport to ransom for nearly a year and threatening to pull out. I guess those who don't like Ferrari being able to negotiate better contracts will be rushing to Mercedes demanding that Toto hands over all their extra benefits and booty to Caterham and Marussia

You can't possibly be this thick. The Yankees receive approx. $39 million from MLB (varies from year to year, next year it is $65 million), the same as every team. No bonus, no special deal. The $60 million they EARNED (they have their own TV network) and they have to give approx. 30% of that back to MLB to be shared by the other teams. Perhaps Ferrari would like that special deal. MLB (as do the NBA and NHL) has a profit sharing system whereby the wealthy support the smaller markets.

Read about it here http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-vs-nbapa/ss/Revenue-Sharing-And-North-Americas-Major-Pro-Sports-Leagues_3.htm

Maybe Ferrari should try using their position in the sport to earn money, instead of crawling on their bellies asking for handouts. Then F1 could give them a special deal like the Yankees and tax them 30% on their revenue to be shared among the poor teams.

[operaman]

Whats mindboggling is that it would never have come out if Montezemolo hadnt decided to take Bernie on to get even more money and advantage

since then RBR are the favourite son

Actually, what's mind-boggling is that we're ignoring the fact that it takes TWO to tango!!
You're keen on denigrating di Montezemolo/Ferrari, yet ignore the fact that Ecclestone is not the innocent!!
Who's to say he hasn't negotiated the same/more lucrative deals with other teams before Ferrari and since??
If Red Bull is now the "favourite son", who's to say they don't have something already in place?? Who's to say
McLaren didn't have something in place before their fall from grace?? Who's to say that Mercedes got away
with their "illegal tire testing" because they have something in place??

YES!! THIS IS ALL SPECULATION!!

But, then again, isn't that what's keeping us from boredom until the next race??

At least you are right on one count, Bernie is guilty as a facilitator of Ferrari's misdeeds.

[CookinFlat6]

But Bernie doesnt do bribes, instead he gives in to blackmail and pays up to avoid the consequences he is threatened with by unscrupulous and devious manipulators

[CookinFlat6]

Who's to say that Mercedes got away
with their "illegal tire testing" because they have something in place??

Mercedes did not get away with anything
They were made to pay a forfeit. And the rules on testing were not suddenly changed to accomodate their preferences like the team order rule.
But then merc dont have a veto on rules and 'general extra help'

[sagi58]

Who's to say that Mercedes got away
with their "illegal tire testing" because they have something in place??

Mercedes did not get away with anything
They were made to pay a forfeit...

Is that what you call not being allowed to participate in the young drivers' testing?
After they'd had BOTH their current drivers testing??

OK!!

[CookinFlat6]

Hey its not Merc on trial here, we were just getting round to stringing Montezemolo up, and giving the tifosi a couple of backhanders for good measure

Please stay on topic

[spankyham]

.... The Yankees receive approx. $39 million from MLB (varies from year to year, next year it is $65 million), ....... The $60 million they EARNED (they have their own TV network) and they have to give approx. 30% of that back to MLB to be shared by the other teams......

So you admit that in your example the team can sell TV rights exclusively and only 30% of what they sell goes into the pool to be shared.

Maybe Ferrari should try using their position in the sport to earn money...

This is a ridiculous statement. Ferrari is an enormously successful organization making bucket-loads of money.

Then F1 could give them a special deal like the Yankees and tax them 30% on their revenue to be shared among the poor teams

Ferrari would leap at the chance to sell TV rights and only have to hand over 30% and keep the rest.

[LRW]

Who's to say that Mercedes got away
with their "illegal tire testing" because they have something in place??

Mercedes did not get away with anything
They were made to pay a forfeit...

Is that what you call not being allowed to participate in the young drivers' testing?
After they'd had BOTH their current drivers testing??

OK!!

You are just jealous that Ferrari didnt think of it first. Stupid Ferrari.

[Hammer278]

.....sh*tstorm incoming in 3....2....1....

[operaman]

.... The Yankees receive approx. $39 million from MLB (varies from year to year, next year it is $65 million), ....... The $60 million they EARNED (they have their own TV network) and they have to give approx. 30% of that back to MLB to be shared by the other teams......

So you admit that in your example the team can sell TV rights exclusively and only 30% of what they sell goes into the pool to be shared.

Maybe Ferrari should try using their position in the sport to earn money...

This is a ridiculous statement. Ferrari is an enormously successful organization making bucket-loads of money.

Then F1 could give them a special deal like the Yankees and tax them 30% on their revenue to be shared among the poor teams

Ferrari would leap at the chance to sell TV rights and only have to hand over 30% and keep the rest.

Last year the Yankees paid over $100 million dollars to help the lesser teams in MLB. Ferrari did NOTHING, despite being "an enormously successful organization making bucket-loads of money". End of discussion.