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By andrew
#312212
The British press taking a queue from the Italians?


Well it is the Guardian..... :hehe:
By CookinFlat6
#312214
The British press taking a queue from the Italians?


Well it is the Guardian..... :hehe:


What does that mean and why do you think its funny?

The Guardian is by far the least right wing or rabble rousing quality in Britain. For them to comment with honesty on a British institution (only just) is different to the extremes of the Times etc

Have you ever even read the Guardian or any quality British dailies?
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By myownalias
#312218
And yeah, suddenly he's happy to throw his team under the bus being vocal about how the car is so bad. I seem to recall a few here saying "Unlike Lewis, Button has a much better character, he never goes against the team, he just gets on with it blah blah blah" well yeah sure.

All drivers bitch and moan when the car isn't the best; Jenson included, I don't believe I have ever said that Jenson is any different; I believe Jenson to be more a thinking man's driver but that hasn't helped him this season has it? I believe that Lewis "gets on with it" more when the car isn't the best; I have heavily criticised Button for his constant "no grip" complaints, see my signature!
By Hammer278
#312219
And yeah, suddenly he's happy to throw his team under the bus being vocal about how the car is so bad. I seem to recall a few here saying "Unlike Lewis, Button has a much better character, he never goes against the team, he just gets on with it blah blah blah" well yeah sure.

All drivers bitch and moan when the car isn't the best; Jenson included, I don't believe I have ever said that Jenson is any different; I believe Jenson to be more a thinking man's driver but that hasn't helped him this season has it? I believe that Lewis "gets on with it" more when the car isn't the best; I have heavily criticised Button for his constant "no grip" complaints, see my signature!


Ok, for future reference I need to get this straight...when I say "a few (dimwits) here who speak about Button" you're not in this equation.
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By racechick
#312226
I hope Lewis can take his manager in becuause all Lewis wants is a fast car, he cant do politics. Whitmarsh and Jesnon will be covering each others backs I would expect.
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By myownalias
#312227
And yeah, suddenly he's happy to throw his team under the bus being vocal about how the car is so bad. I seem to recall a few here saying "Unlike Lewis, Button has a much better character, he never goes against the team, he just gets on with it blah blah blah" well yeah sure.

All drivers bitch and moan when the car isn't the best; Jenson included, I don't believe I have ever said that Jenson is any different; I believe Jenson to be more a thinking man's driver but that hasn't helped him this season has it? I believe that Lewis "gets on with it" more when the car isn't the best; I have heavily criticised Button for his constant "no grip" complaints, see my signature!

Ok, for future reference I need to get this straight...when I say "a few (dimwits) here who speak about Button" you're not in this equation.

Fair enough, I guess that I am so used to defending my position when people accuse me to saying something when it is not at all the case, I defend my comments on autopilot almost!
By CookinFlat6
#312229
To be fair to Myownalias who appears to be that rare true Jenson fan, those saying that about Button are generally in the ABH klan (anyone but Hamilton)

They can be recognised by always taking the other side to any suggestion about Lewis, so they will have you know that Button is a gent who would not hang the team out to dry in public
Then they go on to tell you that

THERE IS NO PROBLEM AT MCLAREN
etc etc
By vaptin
#312233
To be fair to Myownalias who appears to be that rare true Jenson fan, those saying that about Button are generally in the ABH klan (anyone but Hamilton)

They can be recognised by always taking the other side to any suggestion about Lewis, so they will have you know that Button is a gent who would not hang the team out to dry in public
Then they go on to tell you that

THERE IS NO PROBLEM AT MCLAREN
etc etc


What's the deal with posting like that? If you have a problem with a poster, or even a group of posters raise it with them, or a mod/admin or post in the forum and website issues, it seems disingenuous to vaguely reference leaving other people to mentally fill in the implications which will probably lead to misinterpretation and seems over-dramatic.
By CookinFlat6
#312235
I started posting on this site because of a thread that queried the happenings at mcLaren, was it a conspiracy or something else. There was a very good (i thought) argument for something else, which was expanded to be incompetence by the team for focussing on Button at the detriment of Lewis.
Half the thread was pictures of cats and ridicule been hurled at those daring to ask questions. The thread is now locked and the sentiments dispersed over other threads.

Most of those sentiments along the lines of 'you are paranoid, there is no problem at McLaren' seem to appear albeit with less frequency.

Forums thrive on discussions, and therefore it seems timely to rejoin this particular dialectic as both sides have more information now. But ofcourse if those proponents of the 'nothing wrong' school choose to not continue the dialogue then we have a one sided affair

Maybe they all changed their minds :whip:
By andrew
#312242
The British press taking a queue from the Italians?


Well it is the Guardian..... :hehe:


What does that mean and why do you think its funny?

The Guardian is by far the least right wing or rabble rousing quality in Britain. For them to comment with honesty on a British institution (only just) is different to the extremes of the Times etc

Have you ever even read the Guardian or any quality British dailies?


Yes, I have. Thanks for asking but I'm not a fan of the Guardian.
By What's Burning?
#312246
ESPN F1: McLaren is believed to be holding a crisis meeting at its Woking base on Tuesday as the team looks to arrest a slide which has seen it pick up 54 points in the last six rounds, of which 25 came from Lewis Hamilton's win in Canada.

Although officially it is just a technical briefing, the lacklustre performance of the car at Silverstone - Hamilton came eighth with Jenson Button tenth - is causing considerable concerns. McLaren is currently fourth in the constructors' championship but with results falling away its title ambitions are hanging by a thread.

Upgrades to the MP4-27s are imminent but there is a growing feeling something more radical is needed. The messages from the drivers after the British Grand Prix left little doubt they thought there were serious problems, with Button admitting rather than battling the big boys, McLaren is scrapping with the likes of Williams, Sauber and Force India.

"We don't have the pace of the top three teams," Button said. "We were perfect in strategy, the pitstops were perfect and nothing went wrong. But if the Williams and Sauber had good days, they would have beaten us, so we have a lot of work to do.

"You see a car come past like you are standing still and it comes as a surprise. You think, how good does their car feel? They must be on rails. I don't know where we are missing out or where so many teams are getting it right. We are just not quick enough."


After winning the first race of the season in Australia and taking second in China, Button has seven points from six grands prix. He has had problems but on Sunday he drove a good race and still only salvaged a point on the penultimate lap.

Hamilton was leading the championship two rounds ago, but in the five races either side of his win in Canada he scored just 22 points. He is now lying fourth and - with unrelenting speculation of his future - it is imperative McLaren has a competitive car if it is to retain his services after the end of this season.

Asked on Sunday if McLaren's current form would influence Hamilton's decision whether to stay, Martin Whitmarsh replied: "No, I think he's smarter than that. He's got to want to stay in this team, which I believe he does."


I highlighted the area Button is quoted simply to state, that previous to Silverstone it had been quick enough with Lewis as a driver, at least to contend for a podium if not a win. The "we" in this case is being used loosely.
By penfold007
#312262
Seems funny really..............New personnel at Mclaren this year isn't there? One Sam Michaels........ just look at his track record, years at Willaims and they got no-where, in fact they go backwards. So they get rid of him and the team and car suddenly head in a forward direction. He goes to Mclaren, this his first year, and guess what, Mclaren start to go backwards?????? 2+2 = ???
By CookinFlat6
#312266
well Sam was brought in to improve race day operations and keep on top of the regulations to avoid the team earning penalties for things like underfueling the car at quali. Also to improve the pitstops etc. If it took 9 races to get to sub 3 sec stops then it might take a few years to find out if the future McLaren boss has improved the team.
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By 1Lemon
#312268
Seems funny really..............New personnel at Mclaren this year isn't there? One Sam Michaels........ just look at his track record, years at Willaims and they got no-where, in fact they go backwards. So they get rid of him and the team and car suddenly head in a forward direction. He goes to Mclaren, this his first year, and guess what, Mclaren start to go backwards?????? 2+2 = ???


Sam has had a far more lustrous history than you make out, he was with Williams during the height of their dominance too don't forget.
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