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[LewEngBridewell]

I would like to hear them being more ambitious and wanting to beat Marussia, but, for HRT they're really only on their third race after the disaster that was Australia. I'm sure they will be battling Marussia a lot more around mid-season.

Meh, they've beaten that team two years in a row. It's Caterham they want to be looking to next, but that seems a long way off yet.

[yamashek]

HRT not going to Mugello test as everybody knows, some relevant comments that I found:

I just don’t get the point of HRT. Every team has to start somewhere, look at where Force India are now compared to where they started … but this is a joke. They’ve never made it to a (proper) testing session, only have one major sponsor, hiring drivers because their spanish, locating in Spain when the best engineering is in Britain. They need to be more realistic, this is the pinnacle of motor sport, you can never be competitive on a shoestring budget. they should have had all this in place before they chose to enter the sport so they could hit the ground running. now theyre washing their dirty laundry in public.

I think it was on the BBC F1 Forum that someone from Marussia said that although their cars have completed a few races now the test would be highly beneficial to them as they could do all the things you do at a test rather than over a Grand Prix weekend.

So HRT missing the test is a bad sign and would usually make me worry about their future. But I would like to think that they have decided to write off this season in terms of catching Marussia or any of the other teams and instead are going to focus as much as possible on the future.

HRT, Marussia, and Caterham can pretty much do their testing at Grand Prix weekends. For their standing in the constructor’s, they only need 1 good result, like a 12th place, and then it doesn’t really matter what they do for the other 19 races – of course, you want to be in good shape should the opportunity for a good result arise, but it’s not like they should score every weekend. So unless someone would be willing to pay good money to ‘test’ their car, it’s better to stay at home.

[Big Azza]

Good relevant quotes!

I do really like the first quote. Force India should be the role model for all the backmarker teams.


I'm very disappointed that HRT are not taking this opportunity. However as per the last quote, HRT are proven to be a bit more reliable than the Marussia cars. So they will finish again ahead of Marussia, even though Marussia are faster.

It would be nice if they could catch up with Marussia's pace though. I'm very happy to see Marussia taking part...

[scotty]

Force India are completely incomparable though, cause they had so much more already in place for them from the Jordan days. These 3 newer teams started completely from scratch, and look how much harder their job has been cause of it. Without huge amounts of money or manufacturer backing it was always inevitable that there'd be a struggle until some stability could be found, which is hard enough in itself!

[yamashek]

This thing JUST across my mind:

As I understand it, the new 3 teams lack resources...moreso for the Marussia + HRT

BUT

Let's say, if each team has the potential to have 3x more resources than what they have now... ..Is it possible to compete at a more competitive level?

What I am trying to say is: HMC Racing Team..Hispania + Marussia + Caterham join forces, and pool their resources together...It seems though Caterham might have the breakthrough within a few years..

Let's just say "HR Marussia GP"..

Could it be a possible move in the future? To have smaller teams pool their resources together? Or are there egos in between such moves?

hmm..

[myownalias]

The thing that most of you seem to be forgetting is that HRT, Manor GP [now Marussia] and Lotus GP [now Caterham] were lured to the sport with the promises of a €45m budget cap, and as we all know, that never materialised and probably never will, these teams knew they couldn't compete with mega budgets like McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull, but didn't think they'd need to!

[Blackavar]

Could it be a possible move in the future? To have smaller teams pool their resources together? Or are there egos in between such moves?

hmm..

I hope this never happens. You can't just "join" up with your rivals! Have a bit of pride in your own team. If it comes to the stage where it's either "join up with Marussia or pull out" - then I really hope they pull out. People will lose their jobs if they came together. Two less drivers have the chance to race in F1. There's no dignity in that.

[LRW]

The thing that most of you seem to be forgetting is that HRT, Manor GP [now Marussia] and Lotus GP [now Caterham] were lured to the sport with the promises of a €45m budget cap, and as we all know, that never materialised and probably never will, these teams knew they couldn't compete with mega budgets like McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull, but didn't think they'd need to!

You cant come into this thread with sensible comments like that MOA. Please be more loony tune from now on.

[myownalias]

The thing that most of you seem to be forgetting is that HRT, Manor GP [now Marussia] and Lotus GP [now Caterham] were lured to the sport with the promises of a €45m budget cap, and as we all know, that never materialised and probably never will, these teams knew they couldn't compete with mega budgets like McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull, but didn't think they'd need to!

You cant come into this thread with sensible comments like that MOA. Please be more loony tune from now on.

But, but, but I am on day release from the asylum...

More sensible comment in the meantime, merging teams won't necessarily mean twice or three times the budget, who's to say they'll be able to keep all their sponsors, some sponsors may not be happy with the merger. Given as most of the income for HRT and Marussia is from sponsorship, they certainly have no chance of getting anything from Bernie for 11/12th in the constructors!

[darwin dali]

The thing that most of you seem to be forgetting is that HRT, Manor GP [now Marussia] and Lotus GP [now Caterham] were lured to the sport with the promises of a €45m budget cap, and as we all know, that never materialised and probably never will, these teams knew they couldn't compete with mega budgets like McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull, but didn't think they'd need to!

You cant come into this thread with sensible comments like that MOA. Please be more loony tune from now on.

But, but, but I am on day release from the asylum...

Cooome back MOA, now, come here - your dinner is ready. Grab a straw now and slurp your dinner, mhhmm! Yes, after dinner you may play with the cat a little while, but try not to bite off her ears like yesterday

[yamashek]

Could it be a possible move in the future? To have smaller teams pool their resources together? Or are there egos in between such moves?

hmm..

I hope this never happens. You can't just "join" up with your rivals! Have a bit of pride in your own team. If it comes to the stage where it's either "join up with Marussia or pull out" - then I really hope they pull out. People will lose their jobs if they came together. Two less drivers have the chance to race in F1. There's no dignity in that.

I see your point...but try think in another angle..

Have pride (in your definition) but stuck in the back end of the grid, or be in the middle of the grid with twice the sponsors?

middle pack => possible points => TV revenue => more money => more/better R&D => better CONSISTENT results => competitive => more close racing challenging the top teams

if we are talking about dignity, its not like going to middle pack (by joining with another team) is less dignified than being your own team...its just a forced decision based on the spending in current F1. Just the cold facts, logical vs emotional

If they combine, they have multiple times the amount of resources. Talking about people losing their jobs, I am sure the lower formula teams will welcome people with F1 experience. Plus a good bunch of them can find employment with auto manufactures and participate in their racing program as well. Their knowledge will not go wasted for sure.