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[l Schumacher l]

why would hamilton go to red bull? hes a mclaren man, and anyways it wouldnt be so good for red bull.

ive noticed that it seems that the team chemistry and in the end everything overall is cvontrolled the best by red bull atm.

if hamilton and vettel are in the same team they wont be able tp push someone as well,

it would be another hamilton alonso sitation.

they succeeed because they let their drivers drive, and vettel wins cause hes better than webber, they all win without pushing it overboard.

if mark webber leaves then MAYBE there would be a mix up.

id love to see rosberg @ redbull.

Im not so sure the team chemistry is all sweetness and light at red Bull, it certainly wasnt last year. I also dont think there'd be a problem between Vetel and Hamilton. Alonso wanted favours and felt he deserved them by dint of his history, he couldnt handle a rookie team mate who could drive as fast and sometimes faster than him.. I think if vettel and hamilton were in the same team theyd know the score ..equal footing best man wins. I must admit thats a juicy thought even though i want lewis to stay ay McLaren.

it is a juicy thought because youd be pitting 2 of best drivers in formula one, in the best team. (in the current anyways)


but what i ment, is that red bull has saved it self from the BIG controversy because they dont have 2 drivers that are gunning at each others necks if u know what i mean, theres always the possibility that there could be problems.


i am a rosberg fan and i think it would be great to have both vettel and rosberg in the same team, with hamilton it could get a bit tricky, it might not.

but if im the rbr team leader id make sure i watch out for consistency.

[racechick]

why would hamilton go to red bull? hes a mclaren man, and anyways it wouldnt be so good for red bull.

ive noticed that it seems that the team chemistry and in the end everything overall is cvontrolled the best by red bull atm.

if hamilton and vettel are in the same team they wont be able tp push someone as well,

it would be another hamilton alonso sitation.

they succeeed because they let their drivers drive, and vettel wins cause hes better than webber, they all win without pushing it overboard.

if mark webber leaves then MAYBE there would be a mix up.

id love to see rosberg @ redbull.

Im not so sure the team chemistry is all sweetness and light at red Bull, it certainly wasnt last year. I also dont think there'd be a problem between Vetel and Hamilton. Alonso wanted favours and felt he deserved them by dint of his history, he couldnt handle a rookie team mate who could drive as fast and sometimes faster than him.. I think if vettel and hamilton were in the same team theyd know the score ..equal footing best man wins. I must admit thats a juicy thought even though i want lewis to stay ay McLaren.

it is a juicy thought because youd be pitting 2 of best drivers in formula one, in the best team. (in the current anyways)


but what i ment, is that red bull has saved it self from the BIG controversy because they dont have 2 drivers that are gunning at each others necks if u know what i mean, theres always the possibility that there could be problems.


i am a rosberg fan and i think it would be great to have both vettel and rosberg in the same team, with hamilton it could get a bit tricky, it might not.

but if im the rbr team leader id make sure i watch out for consistency.

This year yes, Vettel is clearly performing better than Webber. Maybe he's improved a lot, maybe Webber cant get on with the tyres, maybe a bit of both; but last year they were certainly gunning for each other and the racing was close. mark was in it to the end and only finnished 14 points behind Vettel. He was in with a good chance at the last race of the season and Vettel stole it.
But there were certainly fireworks especially when they crashe at Turkey and when Vettel got Webbrs wing at Silverstone.

If Webber does finnish it would be interesting to see how Rosberg goes in the red bull up against Vettel, very interesting.

[l Schumacher l]

interesting indeed, specially for a rosberg fan like me

but ive read up into that story that ferrari and mclaren realize they have to work together to stop rbr

ferrari and mclaren have to get their head back together or else rbr will keep it going, yes webber was closer last year, but its kinda died down hasnt it? you could see either could take it but now its clearly vettel.

[Big Azza]

But there were certainly fireworks especially when they crashe at Turkey and when Vettel got Webbrs wing at Silverstone.

Sorry to single you out racechick and I may be going on like a cracked record, but the whole "Webber's Wing-gate" thing ticks me off.

Once again - did the wing have Mark Webber's name on it? Or did it have Red Bull's name on it?

As it was Red Bull wing, and it was the only one they had, Red Bull had the right to give the wing to whoever they chose. They were pretty fair - Vettel was placed higher in the championship ahead of Webber. Red Bull had already lost a lot of ground in the championship due to retirements. Hence they gave the wing to the driver who, at that point in time, had a better chance of taking the fight to the McLarens.

All this talk of Vettel taking Webber's wing was a smear campaign, in my opinion....

Red Bull will reserve the right to make the similar decisions in future. And they did maintain that if Webber was leading the championship they would have given the wing to him. That Webber turned it into a big deal, in my opinion, was unprofessional. Perhaps it did highlight an issue that Red Bull failed to properly communicate this to the drivers, and if so, this is a mistake that RBR will hopefully never make again.

Yes Red Bull do play favourites. They will favour the driver who is leading the championship for them. However, as Dietrich maintained, Red Bull are selling performance drinks. They want their fans to see this as a professional sporting team, and that, in sports, the best man always wins. It would be a failure to their marketing campaign if they did otherwise. Hence, at the start of a season, the drivers start level - the only difference now would be Vettel's salary.

At first I thought that having Hamilton joining Red Bull would ruin their junior academy's aspirations. If having an established driver such as Hamilton is what Dietrich really wants, then he will have to re-think the philosophy of the junior racing academy. If they really do believe (as much as I do) that Vergne and Ricciardo are the next-big-thing for the sport, then they need to do what they can to bring them into the sport - next year.

The question is, what does that mean for their current guys at STR? Is Buemi still good enough? Alguersuari? After Alguersuari's recent race performances it looks like Ricciardo has to wait a little bit longer to step up into a race seat. The question is where do they go from here? Do they need to buy another team? Or are they going to have to make a big call?

The issue surrounding Webber's race seat creates a bottle-neck for the future young drivers coming into the sport. I also think that the notion that Webber's car has been set up to be a number 2 driver this year to extend Vettel's lead is bull (excuse the pun ). If Red Bull really want to sell energy drinks, how would that fit into their grand scheme of things.

Hamilton is very marketable - and I think it will be absolutely fantastic seeing the two arguably best drivers battling it out in a top car. This would completely align with Red Bull's racing philosophy. Ideally Alonso would be there as well under that notion, but it is too easy for the drivers to be enticed by the history and glamour of driving in a red car.

[darwin dali]

He was in with a good chance at the last race of the season and Vettel stole it.

[racechick]

He was in with a good chance at the last race of the season and Vettel stole it.

Well I thought it was still a three way fight at the last race but maybe memory serves me wrong.

[Jabberwocky]

But there were certainly fireworks especially when they crashe at Turkey and when Vettel got Webbrs wing at Silverstone.

Sorry to single you out racechick and I may be going on like a cracked record, but the whole "Webber's Wing-gate" thing ticks me off.

Once again - did the wing have Mark Webber's name on it? Or did it have Red Bull's name on it?

As it was Red Bull wing, and it was the only one they had, Red Bull had the right to give the wing to whoever they chose.

I you where a parent with 2 kids and you bought them both ice creams. One of them dropped there ice cream on the floor. Would you take the icecream off the other one and give it to the one that dropped theirs?

[bud]

But there were certainly fireworks especially when they crashe at Turkey and when Vettel got Webbrs wing at Silverstone.

Sorry to single you out racechick and I may be going on like a cracked record, but the whole "Webber's Wing-gate" thing ticks me off.

Once again - did the wing have Mark Webber's name on it? Or did it have Red Bull's name on it?

As it was Red Bull wing, and it was the only one they had, Red Bull had the right to give the wing to whoever they chose.

That's a load of crap Azza.

[racechick]

But there were certainly fireworks especially when they crashe at Turkey and when Vettel got Webbrs wing at Silverstone.

Sorry to single you out racechick and I may be going on like a cracked record, but the whole "Webber's Wing-gate" thing ticks me off.

Once again - did the wing have Mark Webber's name on it? Or did it have Red Bull's name on it?

As it was Red Bull wing, and it was the only one they had, Red Bull had the right to give the wing to whoever they chose.

I you where a parent with 2 kids and you bought them both ice creams. One of them dropped there ice cream on the floor. Would you take the icecream off the other one and give it to the one that dropped theirs?

Excellent analagy!!

[FRAFPDD]

why would hamilton go to red bull? hes a mclaren man, and anyways it wouldnt be so good for red bull.

ive noticed that it seems that the team chemistry and in the end everything overall is cvontrolled the best by red bull atm.

if hamilton and vettel are in the same team they wont be able tp push someone as well,

it would be another hamilton alonso sitation.

they succeeed because they let their drivers drive, and vettel wins cause hes better than webber, they all win without pushing it overboard.

if mark webber leaves then MAYBE there would be a mix up.

id love to see rosberg @ redbull.

Im not so sure the team chemistry is all sweetness and light at red Bull, it certainly wasnt last year. I also dont think there'd be a problem between Vetel and Hamilton. Alonso wanted favours and felt he deserved them by dint of his history, he couldnt handle a rookie team mate who could drive as fast and sometimes faster than him.. I think if vettel and hamilton were in the same team theyd know the score ..equal footing best man wins. I must admit thats a juicy thought even though i want lewis to stay ay McLaren.

I believe the Red Bull philosophy to racing is unseen in F1, Ferrari are under immense pressure, Mclaren were like catholic prep schools under Dennis, Red Bull go jumping about off Monaco harbourd when they win races, and naming their cars "randy mandy", its a completely refreshing atttiude theyve brought and i think it suits Hamilton PR image like a suit from Saville Row. Thats not to mention they honestly dont seem to be a team to care even though Vettels the reigning champ and driver from the academy, any team would immediately lose/share equal focus to their current driver/s if Hamilton turned up in their overralls.

I personally think Hamiltons had his time with Mclaren, sure its only been one title, but by the time he signs with Red Bull (all hypothetical this is) and then races with them for a few years until they dwindle, Alonso might be thinking of leaving Ferrari and he can head off over there.

I just feel for one reason or another and Button the "equal" wdc has given Whitmarsh the oppurtunity to not have to favour Hamilton and just focus on Jenson. Hamilton doesnt need to be favoured, he just doesnt deserve being underfavoured.

[racechick]

I dont believe Mclaren favour either driver. They like their drivers to race, always have.

[FRAFPDD]

I dont believe Mclaren favour either driver. They like their drivers to race, always have.

Im sure they do, but that doesnt mean they dont want one to do better, Whitmarsh likes Button better.

[racechick]

I dont believe Mclaren favour either driver. They like their drivers to race, always have.

Im sure they do, but that doesnt mean they dont want one to do better, Whitmarsh likes Button better.

I know what you mean from some of the things he says but hopefully he's professional enough to not allow his likes and dislike to influence his decisions.

[vaptin]

I dont believe Mclaren favour either driver. They like their drivers to race, always have.

Eh? Coultard wasn't a number 2 then? They don't want their drivers racing each other unconditionally, I don't think any team does.

As for the Wing thing,

It was their wing, but Redbull can't claim to treat their drivers equally when they intentionally disadvantage one driver to favour the other - i.e. taking of Webbers new wing to give to Vettel. If they only had one wing that's different, as the only way for equal treatment would be to discard it, which is stupid.

But Vettel's wing breaking, yeah its bad luck, but it isn't Webber's fault.

[darwin dali]

He was in with a good chance at the last race of the season and Vettel stole it.

Well I thought it was still a three way fight at the last race but maybe memory serves me wrong.

My comment was on the term 'stole'