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#232535
By my criteria, Button genuinely is the best driver on the grid. Those criteria just happen to be differently weighted than most people's - for instance, I find that there are so many very rapid drivers in F1, I value flatout and 1-lap pace very little. Especially since these are probably the attributes that are most able to be improved simply by having a better suited car.

If Schumacher doesn't win a race in 2011, he should retire before he does any more damage to his heritage. He should realise his heritage and prestige belong to us who watched him all those years almost as much as they belong to him.

Kobayashi is wildly overrated.

Adrian Sutil is also wildly overrated.

Vettel, outside of when he's racing, or talking about it, is actually pretty likeable.

There is something fundamentally different about the US Racing scene compared to the racing scenes of the rest of the world which makes a successful American driver or team in F1 in the future very unlikely.

Sebastian Bourdais was, and is, radically underrated.

Williams will never win another title in its present form.

Force India will never win one in its present form either.

The abolition of the Team Orders rule is going to cause a major controversy within three years which will require someone to be penalised for brining the sport into disrepute. If this is Ferrari or (Less likely) McLaren, expect the entirely predictable arguments to play out again, complete with the charming "completely pointless reference to the events of 2007" which always comes up no matter how irrelevant those events are to the topic at hand or hypocritical the sentiment.

If F1 is to have a sole tyre supplier, the deal should have gone to Avon/Cooper, not Pirelli (But Pirelli were the right choice over Michelin). That being said, the F1 Tyre supply issue really ought to be a free for all, with teams able to source tyres from any manufacturer willing to build a tyre to F1 rules.

The idea of a mandatory pit stop is farcical. Especially when the Option tyre is far from marginal.

KERS is a pointless waste of time. In order for it to be relevant, it would have to be entirely open for free development by the teams. All this limiting its use and power and so on makes it worthless even for its intended "push-to-pass" function (Itself mostly a joke) as if all the KERS behave in exactly the same way on output, they cancel each other out both on average and on aggregate. And don't bother with that "oh it's tactical" thing, because it patently is not. And if we want tactics in F1...MAKE THE OPTION TYRE MARGINAL, REMOVE THE MANDATORY PIT STOP AND/OR REINSTATE REFUELLING.
#232536
Senna rammed Prost off the track for the title in 1990, yet is seemingly excused for it while other drivers who employ dirty tactics are completely torn to shreds. Why? I consider myself a Senna fan but i still think that incident was disgusting.


Yup. Senna was a cheat. A great racer but a cheat, the sort who rams other drivers off in order to win championships.

Here is the Senna/Prost crash at Suzuka 1990 for those of you who need to see it to believe how dirty Senna could be.

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He never recovered from this in my view of him :thumbdown:
#232539
- the drivers of today are fully capable of driving any previous f1 car, and are "real racers" as much as any other drivers of the past, it is not their fault they were born in different periods.
nope, I don't think they would have the balls to do it


bullpoo, the cars don't exist anymore. The modern F1 driver will race anything they can just like the f1 drivers of the past would.

Older F1 drivers didn't have the balls to drive older F1 cars, they were the latest at the time and they raced with them.

Sick of hearing how great the older generation were compared to the current F1 drivers.

Eau Rouge in a modern F1 car requires more balls than ever to keep the foot down now since you actually can take it flatout and all the drivers love it.

Same with Copse, Maggots and Becketts down to Stowe. Absolutely on the edge in the modern F1 car and faster than anything of the past and again all the modern F1 drivers love it.

I wouldn't doubt for one second that any one on the current F1 grid is lacking the ballage to race flat out in any car they are given.

Rant over.
#232540
By my criteria, Button genuinely is the best driver on the grid.


What's your criteria?
#232544
By my criteria, Button genuinely is the best driver on the grid.


What's your criteria?

I value racecraft and consistency very highly, as well as neat, controlled driving. Over the past two seasons, JB has had only four non-scoring results, three of which were DNFs that weren't his fault. Nobody else can touch that record. Watching Jenson drive, more than any other, I get the sense of effortless precision. That sort of thing impresses me immensely. And as for the racecraft issue, I know some people enjoy the kind of racecraft of drivers like Hamilton where there is a lot of agression and a warrior spirit, but I am more impressed by the way JB does things, with a controlled strike. Like the pass he made on Kobayashi in Brazil 2009, or his move on Hamilton in Turkey last year.
#232548
if your going to ridicule others posts (WHEN I CLEARLY ASKED NOT TO, this is still a good natures thread at the moment) tjen at least have the guts to post your own,

other then that some really interesting stuff im seeing, cmon now i know some people havent posted!
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#232549
- the drivers of today are fully capable of driving any previous f1 car, and are "real racers" as much as any other drivers of the past, it is not their fault they were born in different periods.
nope, I don't think they would have the balls to do it


bullpoo, the cars don't exist anymore. The modern F1 driver will race anything they can just like the f1 drivers of the past would.

Older F1 drivers didn't have the balls to drive older F1 cars, they were the latest at the time and they raced with them.

Sick of hearing how great the older generation were compared to the current F1 drivers.

Eau Rouge in a modern F1 car requires more balls than ever to keep the foot down now since you actually can take it flatout and all the drivers love it.

Same with Copse, Maggots and Becketts down to Stowe. Absolutely on the edge in the modern F1 car and faster than anything of the past and again all the modern F1 drivers love it.

I wouldn't doubt for one second that any one on the current F1 grid is lacking the ballage to race flat out in any car they are given.

Rant over.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yCsdnUW2Ww

You had to be CRAZY in that era!
#232550
if your going to ridicule others posts (WHEN I CLEARLY ASKED NOT TO, this is still a good natures thread at the moment) tjen at least have the guts to post your own!

It would be nice if you quoted those who you are speaking too as it could get lost in translation :wink: .
#232551
if your going to ridicule others posts (WHEN I CLEARLY ASKED NOT TO, this is still a good natures thread at the moment) tjen at least have the guts to post your own!

It would be nice if you quoted those who you are speaking too as it could get lost in translation :wink: .


it was just hexagram and i think f1er the former of which was defending my post, but that doeant excuse him attaxking anothers, i dont have double standards you see tex! and wheres your confessions!
#232552
I have not tried put anything together worthy of posting and even then I might not, sometimes it just fun too sit back and enjoy the show. :)
#232553
I have not tried put anything together worthy of posting and even then I might not, sometimes it just fun too sit back and enjoy the show. :)


it doest need to be the works of chaucer pal just wack it down! must have at least a few things floating around in your bonce to say! is senna greatest? is schumacher a lucky cheating scumbag? your call...
#232554
Frankly I just don't feel like commenting at this time, is that ok with you?

is senna greatest? is schumacher a lucky cheating scumbag? your call...

Also those topics already exist so I see no reason to rehash them in this thread.
#232556
I think F1 is not as good as it could be in it current state. I think the FIA should not be involved in F1 at all. Actually I think the FIA should be disbanded and racing series govern themselves.

The main job of the FIA in operating F1 is to create a set of rules and regulations and to oversee the International Sporting Code under which the series competes.


Nascar governs itself. They put on a better show, seem to have more sponsors, and are fan friendly. I hate Nascar, but love the way they do business.

F1 in the past few years seems to have changed too much, which is stupid for trying to bring in new teams and new venues.

There are too many groups competing for power and control, executing vendetta's and overlooking the fans and entertainment.
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