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#225608
I've been very quick to blame Lewis where he is definitely to be blamed.

What I can't understand is your need to highlight his mistakes a lot more than the others. It's not just in this thread, but in others where you go off on your personal tangent about how Lewis lost the Championship through his mistakes.

Yes, he could've driven better this year. But how about the fact that he never had the best car to start with, the McLaren and Ferrari were always playing catch up to Redbull. Alonso's jump starts and brain fade in Silverstone lost him a tonne of points too but you don't seem to highlight these errors? Mistakes like this happen when you play catchup and you know you don't possess the best car underneath you. I commend drivers like this who make these blips once in a while (Yes, even Alonso!), as I see them as racers, instead of simply driving around a circuit waiting for rain, pitstops, dinosaurs to eat up the leading cars (no names mentioned)

So yes, Lewis could've done better. But he's done a stellar job anyway, with his only big muckup down in Monza. Singapore was a 50-50 issue as majority readily agree its a racing incident. Or you'd put that down to Lewis' idiocy too? Okay, fine 2 races. Hardly a disaster of a season for the guy.

And sorry, I don't hate Michael. I loved to hate him (as McLaren's competitor) during the Mika-Michael years but saw him as a fearsome competitor with insane speed and consistency. So I don't know this 'little group' you're talking about because I'm no part of it.

Michael could turn in those laps consistently with a car which is class of the field. When he didn't (Benetton) we all know what he did to Damon and Jacques. You could put that down as a mistake maybe? Or is it skill?

It depends on the circumstances you're in. If you're comfortable, you're less prone to taking risks and making mistakes. Michael enjoyed fantastic cars in the early 2000s...Lewis hasn't. He's had cars capable of winning Championships but these cars have never dominated. So comparison right now is unjust. Lewis has been in F1 for 4 years mate. Out of the 4, he's taken the WDC down to the last race in 3. Hardly embarassing.
#225609
I haven't heard of red bull showing any interest in Lewis. Did I miss it?

The McLaren has been competitive this year, despite the fans insistence that it sucked. The largest points lead enjoyed by any driver was held by a McLaren, and the loss of that lead was in no way the cars fault. It was running near the front every time it was crashed out wasn't it?

McLaren did well this year but a few mistakes cost them the crown. Let's see how they do next year. Someone needs to put a cattle prod in Buttons seat if they are looking for a constrictors title though.


The car didn't suck, but was no where near as good at the Red Bulls at any time during the season except in Montreal and this now in Abu Dhabi. It was also not as good as Ferrari for a few races for quite a few races. During which the car was where it was due to Lewis over driving the car beyond its potential, a testament to his skill qualifying the car considerably higher than it would have. Jenson can attest to that.

I'm glad that there is a serious 3rd contender and I'm actually hoping that Mercedes gets their act together next year and that Porsche also come back soon so we have 4 or 5 seriously potential winning cars every race the next few years.



No where near as good as Vettel's when it grenaded in the lead three times you mean? That kind of good? The red bull was fragile but fast this year. The McLaren was reliable and fast. The McLaren built a sizable lead in the championships but both drivers let it down towards the end of the season. Jenson is inconsistent at best, and Lewis still makes too many mistakes. Stop blaming the car. It had enough to win the championship and would have done so had the drivers done their part. That's all you can ask of the team. Perhaps some lessons were learned and the future will be brighter....but it wasn't the car's fault.


Just to get this straight, are you saying apart from the McLaren drivers, the others never made any driving mistakes this season? Why don't you list out Lewis and Jensons "driving mistakes" this season since there were so many? Driving mistakes please. Where big points were lost due to the driver making a big mistake/overaggressive/crashing it into a wall in a RACE.

You list those out, and I'll list out those from Ferraris and Redbulls drivers. Then we can compare our findings.


Bill the bender,ermm i mean billindenver has issue with Lewis no matter how he trys to mask it. :rofl:
#225625
I haven't heard of red bull showing any interest in Lewis. Did I miss it?

The McLaren has been competitive this year, despite the fans insistence that it sucked. The largest points lead enjoyed by any driver was held by a McLaren, and the loss of that lead was in no way the cars fault. It was running near the front every time it was crashed out wasn't it?

McLaren did well this year but a few mistakes cost them the crown. Let's see how they do next year. Someone needs to put a cattle prod in Buttons seat if they are looking for a constrictors title though.


No disrespect but as the americans say: Ya Gadda be kidding me... :rofl:

You actually expected the Rocketship on rails NOT to win both championships this year... very strange..
#225627
Lewis wants to win, if McLaren keep giving him a winning car he will stay. But will leave if that doesn't happen.


That's generally been my opinion.

Not sure what the point of this thread is, the thread about Lewis going to Ferrari was full of people arguing against it anyway.
#225629
I would hate Hamilton at Ferrari. I like Hamilton he is the best driver but I hate Ferrari so much so it better not never happen

I like seeing Hamilton in the McLaren car so hope he is there for the rest of his F1 career.
#225643
I haven't heard of red bull showing any interest in Lewis. Did I miss it?

The McLaren has been competitive this year, despite the fans insistence that it sucked. The largest points lead enjoyed by any driver was held by a McLaren, and the loss of that lead was in no way the cars fault. It was running near the front every time it was crashed out wasn't it?

McLaren did well this year but a few mistakes cost them the crown. Let's see how they do next year. Someone needs to put a cattle prod in Buttons seat if they are looking for a constrictors title though.




I guess your right there, cause a second place dnf in spain for lewis was his mistake, and the fourth/third place in hungary engien failure was lewis' fault :rolleyes:, if anything it was solely the cars fault that lost mclaren titles( it wasnt of course, but you said otherwise wrongly), it practically remained the same all year in terms of upgrades, cause none of them worked, and as a result the mclaren was either the second or third best car, ferrari were worse at the start of the year and better in the second half, im only saying this to be fair and clear, cause what i bolded of your post suggests that the only possibility was driver error for their loss of titles. Oh yeah and if anyone needs a cattle prod its alonsos butler in the sister ferrari, jenson won two races before lewis and came on the podium numerous times, lets not be unfair on mclaren and its driver now shall we, i dont remember anyone on here asking why they lost titlesanyway lol, and only the first sentence of your post relates to the title thread...
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#225665
Someone needs to put a cattle prod in Buttons seat if they are looking for a constrictors title though.

Maybe they should hire Pat Symonds then, eh?
...and get a terrarium with a boa constrictor and feed little bunnies every now and then? :twisted:
#225740
Honestly. I think it was a fantastic season given the car he had. Sure his car was not the fastest, but the Lewis Hamilton mentality is that "he is the fastest" and thats one of the best performance boosters any car can have. Lewis will get everything out of a car and then some, yes It pays big and yes it crumbles big but mentality is why I like him.

Reliability was an issue for everyone this season. Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton they all had their car let downs. Brakes, engines, transmission, computer etc. Reliability and rain caused a 4 way title race come the last race of the season. As a fan for any team thats gotta get you excited.

It seems like everyone made some mistakes this season. On a scale from 1 to what the hell are you doing, Vettel's incident with Webber early this season has to be mistake of the year. Look where Vettel is now. How many DNFs did vettel have? Bahrain, Austrailia, Korea and Turkey. How many foolish mistakes did he make? He destroyed Webber at turkey that was huge, he took out Button at Spa, drive thru. Hamilton, Monza start, Singapore 50/50, Korea Restart, Valnecia safety car? Alosno, Spa? Its been a very interesting season with two teams that both a one time should have been running away with the championship.

I guess more related. Hamilton did throw away a good 50 points this season but vettel threw away a good 63 points himself and hes WDC.

The future is bright for these two.
#225764
With the return of KERS and adjustable rear wings for next year, who knows what team will be competitive or the Red Bull in 2011. I'm not a Lewis fan but I find I'm becoming more of one as I watch him cause he is an awesome driver who always gives it 110%.

Anyway, what I wanted to say was that he mentioned Ayrton Senna as his hero and it was widely known that Senna wanted to finish his career at Ferrari. I wonder if that plays on Hammo's mind that he would love to do what Ayrton never got to do.
#225812
it was widely known that Senna wanted to finish his career at Ferrari.


thats only as widely known as Di Montizemolo would have it known. Senna told him that apparently according to him ofcourse.
#225816
it was widely known that Senna wanted to finish his career at Ferrari.


thats only as widely known as Di Montizemolo would have it known. Senna told him that apparently according to him ofcourse.



Hmmm, pretty sure I read it somewhere from Prof Sid Watkins too somewhere, or another credible source like that. Anyway, it was probably a good thing he didn't cause I don't think he would have had the success of the Schu seeing as how he would have been entering the later stages of his career and wouldn't have had the same Brawn/Byrne team that Schuey brought with him. But I guess we'll never know unfortunately.
#225842
it was widely known that Senna wanted to finish his career at Ferrari.


thats only as widely known as Di Montizemolo would have it known. Senna told him that apparently according to him ofcourse.



Hmmm, pretty sure I read it somewhere from Prof Sid Watkins too somewhere, or another credible source like that. Anyway, it was probably a good thing he didn't cause I don't think he would have had the success of the Schu seeing as how he would have been entering the later stages of his career and wouldn't have had the same Brawn/Byrne team that Schuey brought with him. But I guess we'll never know unfortunately.


real shame too :(

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