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#217534
Everything is set up for McLaren to start making their own F1 engines now. Like many others i think it'll come in 2013 with the new turbo regs - they'd be mad to try and introduce an entirely new engine under these current frozen regulations (yet another reason why the freeze is pretty counterproductive, but that's a discussion for another thread!).
#217539
Everything is set up for McLaren to start making their own F1 engines now. Like many others i think it'll come in 2013 with the new turbo regs - they'd be mad to try and introduce an entirely new engine under these current frozen regulations (yet another reason why the freeze is pretty counterproductive, but that's a discussion for another thread!).

Look out ladies if that badboy has a TAG insignia :wink::thumbup: !!
#217540
Just how certain are you all that McLaren are "ready to build engines now"?.... I mean, I don't doubt they are tooled to manufacture road car engines for their new sports car, but a ceramic block, pneumatic valve F1 engine takes an entirely different level of engineering capability.
#217543
Just how certain are you all that McLaren are "ready to build engines now"?.... I mean, I don't doubt they are tooled to manufacture road car engines for their new sports car, but a ceramic block, pneumatic valve F1 engine takes an entirely different level of engineering capability.

Uncertain if your reply was geared towards my reply but if anyone can do it McLaren can although I'm not up to date on the 'ceramic block' thinga majig but 'pneumatic valves' are old school :wink: .
#217544
Just how certain are you all that McLaren are "ready to build engines now"?.... I mean, I don't doubt they are tooled to manufacture road car engines for their new sports car, but a ceramic block, pneumatic valve F1 engine takes an entirely different level of engineering capability.

Uncertain if your reply was geared towards my reply but if anyone can do it McLaren can although I'm not up to date on the 'ceramic block' thinga majig but 'pneumatic valves' are old school :wink: .


Huh!....if the valve systems of an F1 motor are not pneumatic....then tell me what they are? It's the only technology that can sequence the valve action at 20,000rpm!
#217545
Just how certain are you all that McLaren are "ready to build engines now"?.... I mean, I don't doubt they are tooled to manufacture road car engines for their new sports car, but a ceramic block, pneumatic valve F1 engine takes an entirely different level of engineering capability.

Uncertain if your reply was geared towards my reply but if anyone can do it McLaren can although I'm not up to date on the 'ceramic block' thinga majig but 'pneumatic valves' are old school :wink: .


Huh!....if the valve systems of an F1 motor are not pneumatic....then tell me what they are? It's the only technology that can sequence the valve action at 20,000rpm!

I guess I missed your meaning.
#217548
Just how certain are you all that McLaren are "ready to build engines now"?.... I mean, I don't doubt they are tooled to manufacture road car engines for their new sports car, but a ceramic block, pneumatic valve F1 engine takes an entirely different level of engineering capability.


Theres talk the new regs wont use pneumatic valves for the case of cost cutting. But even with their new V8TT engines for the 12C they outsource some component design so im sure they would do the same with an F1 engine if need be.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=40357 there is a good article about the subject.
#217599
...http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=40357 there is a good article about the subject.

:hehe: Loved this bit:
"Of course, Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson were not going to succeed with USF1. The bottom line is that neither is sufficiently bright."

Fanship of F1 in the states is too low for any of the US auto makers to bother producing F1 engines (even if Obama would let them). There's too little potential return on investment, especially compared to NASCAR. If their European branches were to take up the gauntlet, they likely would team up with an existing engine builder, as in the Ford-Cosworth of old, rather than strike out on their own.

Depending on exactly how the new TR are worded, there's no guarantee that a turbo I-4 would be any cheaper to build than the current NA V-8. And the more heavily regulated the engines are, the more alike they are. Mandated "sameness" of any aspect of the racing cars is bad for the competition aspect of the sport. Bad, bad, bad.

A great many of the cars' components already are restricted to a sort of beige material to prevent them using more exotic and hence more expensive materials. The crankcase and cylinder heads, for instance, must be aluminium. As must the brake calipers.

In fact, the ultimate weakness in the brakes of an F1 car is not the brakes themselves but their aluminium calipers. CF brakes produce temperatures that are so high, the aluminium becomes spongy and braking power fades because the pads are less true to the rotor face.

Too many cooks spoils the broth. To many rules spoils the racing.
#217603
Everything is set up for McLaren to start making their own F1 engines now. Like many others i think it'll come in 2013 with the new turbo regs - they'd be mad to try and introduce an entirely new engine under these current frozen regulations (yet another reason why the freeze is pretty counterproductive, but that's a discussion for another thread!).

Look out ladies if that badboy has a TAG insignia :wink::thumbup: !!


Erm... what? :confused::hehe:

Just how certain are you all that McLaren are "ready to build engines now"?.... I mean, I don't doubt they are tooled to manufacture road car engines for their new sports car, but a ceramic block, pneumatic valve F1 engine takes an entirely different level of engineering capability.


Theres talk the new regs wont use pneumatic valves for the case of cost cutting. But even with their new V8TT engines for the 12C they outsource some component design so im sure they would do the same with an F1 engine if need be.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=40357 there is a good article about the subject.


Yup. Plus, they still have a decent bit of time to start putting the right things in place to enable them to produce components at this level and are no doubt working on that already. So even if they aren't quite ready for F1 engines yet, i have little or no doubt that a team with such massive engineering pedigree can get there in 2 or so years.
#217609
Fanship of F1 in the states is too low for any of the US auto makers to bother producing F1 engines (even if Obama would let them). There's too little potential return on investment, especially compared to NASCAR. If their European branches were to take up the gauntlet, they likely would team up with an existing engine builder, as in the Ford-Cosworth of old, rather than strike out on their own.


I would never dream of actual US Ford involvement but certainly as you mention the European presence brand. It's easier to dip your toe in the water as an engine supplier first. That's where the brilliance of using a low liter turbo engine comes in. It is relevant to a wider range of manufacturers and fans.

And the Obama joke went over my head if it was a joke.
#217653
If an engine is German, then it is most likely to be the best performing engine on the grid. It will be intresting to see if there are any engine supplier changes next year and when the new regulations come in.

Aren't Mercedes F1 engines made in Britain by the company that used to be Ilmor?

Mercedes-Benz HighPerformanceEngines Ltd., formerly Mercedes-Ilmor, do indeed make the engines in the UK. Brixworth to be specific.
#217660
...And the Obama joke went over my head if it was a joke.

Because he is the de facto COO of GM and Chrysler.


Ah, I get it... Chrysler and GM, if they made better cars, perhaps they wouldn't have needed being bought by the federal government.
#217663
Back to the original topic of the post.

Don't you at all think that McLaren will look to the raft of manufacturers indicating interest in F1 involvement to "co-brand" their engine effort to offset costs. I mean, Hyundai and VW group have both shown some interest for a start.

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