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By Jabberwocky
#195782
How does the F duct get it's name? Does it stand for "F*** Bernie, we're going to screw with the aerodynamics!"?


not sure mate, but Mclaren tend to call items like this with letters for names so that it does not give away anything it does. Like the J damper.
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By madbrad
#195785
I thought it was because it damps the Js. The Js are too dry.
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By stonemonkey
#195796
To me McLaren's F-Duct seems to be a pointless idea. I doesn't seem to give them much more speed on the straights and surely it creates an aerodynamic disadvantage for the rest of the lap because it is creating a pocket of air. Isn't it possible it could also create a distraction for the driver too because he needs to concentrate on keeping his knee in the correct place.

Any thoughts?


It's effectiveness is not only judged by the straightline speed, it allows the use of a higher downforce configuration without the detriment of straightline speed on straights. OK, so it's not really shown to be particularly effective so far but Who's to say that's not down to the rest of the car. Maybe China with it's huge straight and some high downforce sections will suit the system.
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By QKS
#195860
... How does the F duct get it's name?...

I belive it stands for "FRONT"-duct....
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By EwanM
#195879
Funnel duct.


Yep, McLaren like to turn their car into a Hamster assault course when it is away from the track.
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By Fred_C_Dobbs
#195910
...How does the F duct get it's name?...

The most plausible theory I've heard is that the intake duct is next to the letter "f" in the name "Vodafone" on the car's nose.
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By cap-dude
#195915
...How does the F duct get it's name?...

The most plausible theory I've heard is that the intake duct is next to the letter "f" in the name "Vodafone" on the car's nose.
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Nice find. I like it :hehe:
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By Fred_C_Dobbs
#195956
Pardon me if I'm hijacking a thread but I was chastised by a forum sheriff for giving this post one of its own. IMHO, it's a distinct and separate topic, but I seem to have been overruled.

I was having a great deal of difficulty getting my head around the aerodynamics of this ...until I realised it has nothing to do with stalling. I suppose whomever elected to call it a 'stall' preferred to use that oversimplification rather than having to explain what really is happening, which is rather more complex. And truth be told, calling it "an oversimplification" is being generous because, if I'm right (always a risky proposition), "stall" is nowhere near the truth.

The lack of detail in the photos and diagrams I previously had seen online didn't tip me off but this morning I was looking at online articles about Ferrari's new F-duct at Shanghai when it occurred to me. This article on Ferrari's ducting system referred to, "...the known rearward slots in the upper deck...." That was when it struck me.

They're not stalling the wing, they simply are reducing the (inverted) lift it generates by blowing ducted air through slots that increase the velocity of the air flowing rearward over the wing's (high pressure) top surface.

>velocity = <dynamic pressure

Lift (downforce) comes from having differing air pressures on the two sides of the wing. Reducing air pressure over top of the (inverted) wing while pressure underneath remains the same reduces the resulting level of downforce.

<downforce = <drag
<drag = >trap speed

Now it makes sense. They effectively are reducing the wing's angle of attack (or increasing its lower camber) by manipulating the energy of the air flowing over its different surfaces. I know McLaren's system is driver-controlled but, apart that detail, I'll wager the basic function of their F-duct is the same as the Ferraris'. I'll wager it doesn't "stall" anything either, rather it just redirects airflow to reduce the strength of the Bernoulli effect.
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By bud
#195964
That's what a stalled wing is..... When pressure on each side of the winged surface are relatively the same downforce or lift are no longer created.
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By Frosty
#197272
The reason why it looks like it gives less advantage than some people would think is because McLaren are using the advantage in a clever way. Instead of keeping usual down force levels and being much faster on the straights they sacrifice some of that straight line speed by adding more wing this gives them more down force in the corners where there is more time to save than on the straights.
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By scotty
#197297
They lose a very small area of open rear wing angle, that is the only disadvantage. It is incredibly minor though.

I guess you could also argue that the mechanism adds weight at the top of the car too, but again, it would be a negligible amount.
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