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[texasmr2]

more to the fact a 5 year old shoots stuff..... i dunno maybe thats the norm in texas but just shows the gun culture in the states and its nothing to be proud of!

As I said your entitled to your opinion but it is an 'outsider's' opinion. If you were american I'm sure your opinion would be different. Oh well it's no big deal to me anyway but I do respect the fact that you voice your opinion and standup for your beliefs .

[stonemonkey]

Damn right but it is the land of loonies!

This is what some do to their pets.

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These paint jobs can cost several thousand dollars and are redone very three months or so.

Ho Hum
God bless America!

As long as it's not harmful to the pets they can spend their dollars on that, I'd get a spiderman, erm, spidercat. Or maybe an Iron Cat.

[bud]

Maybe if you werent American you would see the gun culture in the States.

I mean teaching a kid to kill a big majestic animal is barbaric. "im gonna shoot me a bigger one next year" what is that???
"The parents should be teaching the kids to respect nature and if the kid wants to one day go out and shoot stuff "yeee har i got one" style then let him make that decision on his own when of age.

[Amanda]

more to the fact a 5 year old shoots stuff..... i dunno maybe thats the norm in texas but just shows the gun culture in the states and its nothing to be proud of!

Some neighbours of mine, here in England, used to go shooting with their young sons. They'd come back with rabbits and ferrets quite often, I'd see the boys carrying shotguns all the time, which I beleive were legally licenced. Although I think 5 is far too young.

[texasmr2]

Maybe if you werent American you would see the gun culture in the States.

I thank God everyday that I'm American !!!

I mean teaching a kid to kill a big majestic animal is barbaric. "im gonna shoot me a bigger one next year" what is that???

Ignorence is universal.

"The parents should be teaching the kids to respect nature and if the kid wants to one day go out and shoot stuff "yeee har i got one" style then let him make that decision on his own when of age.

The majority of parents do teach their kids to respect nature. I totally agree with you but I'm alittle confused by the "when of age" comment? I got my first real gun, a .20 guage shotgun, at the age of six but even before that I was with hunters and taught to not only respect guns but more importantly to respect nature.

It seem's bud you are allowing this one isolated incident to bash and belittle an entire nation of hunters and our culture.

[bud]

Funny i thank god every day for not being American

hunters? i wouldnt even call yourselves hunters. A lion is a hunter.... a tiger is a hunter.... man? he points and shoots from a distance like a wimp. thats not hunting.

sounds like youre a Heston fan so theres no point here. If you cant see the problem in your own country with guns and the problems they cause with gun crimes etc then theres no helping you!

[Gaz]

Tex how come if you say you think hunting is disgusting and wrong and you have ethics, why are defending them then?

Oh and on the subject of "canned hunting" they also do that with tigers which are endangered.

Once the animal is not wild and is captive i don't believe the law applys.

[zweiblumen]

The painting of the cats is tantamount to animal abuse in my opinion This isn't so much an only in the USA thing, hunting with guns is also popular in many European countries*, this doesn't make it acceptable however. I believe the only legitimate reasons for anyone to kill an alligator are a) self defence or b) there is literally nothing else to eat in the area and it is impossible for you to move to another area to find food. I believe in leaving all wildlife alone, we have done enough damage to the planet's biodiversity, I sometimes think that if mankind were to die off due to some particular disease, the rest of the animal world would breathe a collective sigh of relief!

(*The UK with it's stricter gun control laws is different, plus we hunted to extinction most of our large animals centuries ago)

[texasmr2]

Funny i thank god every day for not being American

I'm pretty happy about that aswell .

hunters? i wouldnt even call yourselves hunters. A lion is a hunter.... a tiger is a hunter.... man? he points and shoots from a distance like a wimp. thats not hunting.

Well since you seem to think your such a big man why don't you go out and kill something with your bare hands?

sounds like youre a Heston fan so theres no point here. If you cant see the problem in your own country with guns and the problems they cause with gun crimes etc then theres no helping you!

Um alittle research on your part would help your arguement as guns are everywhere not just in the US . I will agree with you though that this bickering is pointless as you have your beliefs and I have mine.

Tex how come if you say you think hunting is disgusting and wrong and you have ethics, why are defending them then?

I NEVER once said that hunting in general is disgusting and wrong so stop trying to turn my words around and against me !

Oh and on the subject of "canned hunting" they also do that with tigers which are endangered.

I am totally against that aswell. Infact there are quite a few animals that I'm against hunting.

Once the animal is not wild and is captive i don't believe the law applys.

That sir sickens me aswell.

The whole point I'm trying to convey to the two of you is that this problem is not strictly a US problem as there are plenty of hunters worldwide who also 'trophy hunt'. I/we, ie my family and friends do not nor have we ever hunted just to put a trophy on the wall. Just as both of you do and will continue to do in defending your country I will do the same and will continue to do the same. I simply think that this entire topic is just another vehicle for you both to bash my heritage and the country I love and would die for defending it.

As I previously mentioned you do NOT see me bashing your countries yet I could if I wanted to but fail to see the point in doing so. There are alot of things we all would like to change but cannot. What I prefer to do is to search for a common ground that we can all be satisfied with.

Enjoy the GP gentlemen and I hope everything is going well for both of you .

tex

[Stealthgate007]

In the USA many people abhor hunting as much as it is apart of daily life for some folks. One of the biggest animal rights advocates are here in the USA. Peta.

What some people do "hunting" is there business if they follow the guidelines from a Federal, State and local laws.

Some cultures raise dogs as pets and as meat. I've seen video of where a dog is beaten over the head and then thrown whole onto a big fire and the family sits in the hut and eats it for dinner with a few local beans and roots.

Too me that is shocking. To them its contemporary to picking up something from the market and have a family meal. I can't judge. I won't judge the boy or his parents because all we know is he shot an alligator and did not know what they did with the meat. I would not shoot an alligator. I have pulled the head off a chicken. I have gutted many fish. I have skinned a rabbit and they have all ended up in the fryer. If you came to dinner without seeing the prep work, it would be a fantastic meal. I am a great cook, but my moms... Lookout sucka!!

[bud]

Well since you seem to think your such a big man why don't you go out and kill something with your bare hands?

haha you just don't get it, have I labelled myself a hunter?

You know animals have evolved over millions of years to deal with predators, flight or fight response etc they instinctly feel at a safe distance from this upright walking ape a gun is not part of their evolutionary defense so when a human kills an animal with a gun that is not hunting because the animal feels it is not in danger! Point above a 10kg child is no match for a gator that is showing anyone can do it!

You want hunting? Go watch national geographic you want to shoot stuff? Join skeet shooting!

[chemax]

It's tough to say that 5 is too young. Not saying that I'm gonna do that with my daughter or any future children, but I know plenty of families and friends who were/are raised like that. Like I said before, all have a deep respect for nature and don't just an animal for the heck of it. Now, when people are guilty of doing that... yeah, pathetic. But, I'm sure it's not just in America that this happens.

Gun control? Well, that a completely different topic...

[texasmr2]

haha you just don't get it, have I labelled myself a hunter?

No sir I DO GET IT, your unwilling to accept other opinions !! You had previously mentioned that hunting 'bare hands' to you is a more righteous, not in those exact words, form of hunting. There are hunters who do hunt the old fashion way with knives and spears, I can show you video's, and to me personaly hunting with a gun is more ethical. With a gun and correct shot placement suffering by said animal is eliminated by atleast 99%. As I previously mentioned I do not hunt but I'm not going to frown upon those who do, such as you are doing.

You know animals have evolved over millions of years to deal with predators, flight or fight response etc they instinctly feel at a safe distance from this upright walking ape a gun is not part of their evolutionary defense so when a human kills an animal with a gun that is not hunting because the animal feels it is not in danger! Point above a 10kg child is no match for a gator that is showing anyone can do it!

Are you saying that the human race is in the wrong for evolving to a higher and more intelligent life form? I'm not trying to argue with you either just trying to understand where you are coming from. The alligator is millions of years old and has not changed in millions of years ie they have been in existence far longer than mankind or atleast in our evolution, is it our fault???

You want hunting? Go watch national geographic you want to shoot stuff? Join skeet shooting!

I realize your not a hunter so I do not expect you to understand yet you feel compelled that your outlook is more superior than those who are hunters, that is how your coming off.

This entire debate is based upon choice and not on being right or wrong.

[stonemonkey]

What sort of hunting are you guys talking about? If it's trophy/sport then I don't see much sport in it, with the right equipment and a bit of training it's gonna be a bit one sided to say the least and I think most people here are against that type of thing. On the other hand, it's probably had a more natural life than any farmed animals up to that point and if it's killed for it's meat and skin (and any other parts) as long as it's not rare/endangered then to argue against that you'd need to argue against farming livestock too.

[bud]

You know animals have evolved over millions of years to deal with predators, flight or fight response etc they instinctly feel at a safe distance from this upright walking ape a gun is not part of their evolutionary defense so when a human kills an animal with a gun that is not hunting because the animal feels it is not in danger! Point above a 10kg child is no match for a gator that is showing anyone can do it!

Are you saying that the human race is in the wrong for evolving to a higher and more intelligent life form? I'm not trying to argue with you either just trying to understand where you are coming from. The alligator is millions of years old and has not changed in millions of years ie they have been in existence far longer than mankind or atleast in our evolution, is it our fault???

again youre not understanding. look at it this way if youre 50m away from Mike Tyson would you feel threatened of being king hit? An animal at a distance from a predator feels safe.