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[myownalias]

I believe that Mercedes will end up with the best engine anyway, Mercedes have always made very strong engines. The winners are going to be Mercedes and Ferrari in my opinion, Toyota and Renault are going to have severe budget limitations for next season by the looks of it (should they even be on the grid) so probably won't have the funds to develop their engine especially if no-one else is willing to buy and use the Toyota V8.

[EwanM]

I believe that Mercedes will end up with the best engine anyway, Mercedes have always made very strong engines. The winners are going to be Mercedes and Ferrari in my opinion, Toyota and Renault are going to have severe budget limitations for next season by the looks of it (should they even be on the grid) so probably won't have the funds to develop their engine especially if no-one else is willing to buy and use the Toyota V8.

Well they did have a dip at the turn of the century, and their reliability was also awful.

Also, Mercedes have produced strong and reliable engines on account of sorting out their internal politics - within Merc and also their relationship with McLaren.
However with the Brawn venture these could so easily open up again.

Plus the engine rules have been reasonably stable as of late, they could easily be caught out again - mind you... if they're controlling half of the field that'll be hard.

[bud]

yeah Brawn is gonna f*** everything up, break up a 15 year marriage! damn home wreckers

[myownalias]

yeah Brawn is gonna f*** everything up, break up a 15 year marriage! damn home wreckers

I kinda think it would be ironic should Honda re-enter F1 (I'm not saying that it will happen, just speculating) as an engine supplier, back to the good ol' days or McLaren Honda (the old red and white livery, which is how I will always remember McLaren), while Mercedes buy a stake in the former Honda team.

[EwanM]

Red Bull puts engine decision on hold
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78652
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 10:48 GMT

Red Bull Racing's 2010 engine plans are on hold until after it finds out about Renault's Formula 1 future in next week's FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting, AUTOSPORT has learned.

The Milton Keynes-based team had hoped to make a switch to Mercedes-Benz for next year, but that ambition cannot move forward because the FIA has not yet granted the German manufacturer the right to supply an extra team beyond McLaren, Brawn GP and Force India.

Furthermore, Mercedes-Benz cannot increase its supply of power units without approval from partner McLaren - something that has not yet been forthcoming amid the fallout from the plans for Mercedes to buy into Brawn GP.

Mercedes-Benz motorsport boss Norbert Haug said at last weekend's Italian Grand Prix that its engine plans were now resting on approval from McLaren and the FIA, having originally hope to announce the engine plans in Monza.

"McLaren and us are exclusive partners," said Haug. "Without the allowance, without the co-operation....we are not ready [to announce the plans]. Whether we will have yet another customer team, that is not decided yet. It needs to be decided with the FIA as well."

That situation has left Red Bull Racing unable to finalise its engine plans for next year. The situation is further complicated by the fact that current partner Renault may not be in F1 in 2010 if it is banned or chooses to quit in the aftermath of the Singapore GP race-fix allegations.

The uncertainty about engines is a big problem for Red Bull Racing, after its progress into world championship challengers this year shows that its ambition is now for titles. Accepting a second-rate engine deal is not on the team's agenda - which is why it has only been considering the Mercedes-Benz or Renault route.

Red Bull Racing boss Christian Horner has said that he will not worry more about its engine situation until after next week's FIA World Motor Sport Council hearing into Renault.

"Obviously we need to wait for the scenario of the 21st," Horner told AUTOSPORT. "We have a strong relationship with Renault, who have been a very good partner of the team for the last three years, and we will wait and see how things pan out."

The imposition of an engine freeze in F1, allied to restrictive design rules, makes the packaging of different engine types much easier to sort out than in the past – as Brawn GP showed this year when it installed a Mercedes-Benz power-unit on the eve of the campaign.

I'm surprised they are still contemplating Renault after Dietrich Mateschitz blasted Renault.

Alot hinges on Renault's fate. Throughout F1.

[darwin dali]

Why not a Ferrari engine? They already have them in the Toro Rosso.

[bud]

Why not a Ferrari engine? They already have them in the Toro Rosso.

Think they ditched Ferrari in the first place because Ferrari customers never really have a shot at the title

[darwin dali]

Why not a Ferrari engine? They already have them in the Toro Rosso.

Think they ditched Ferrari in the first place because Ferrari customers never really have a shot at the title

Beggars can't be choosy.

[Jabberwocky]

Will Cosworth not be in a world of pain if this de freeze happens?

[Denthúl]

Will Cosworth not be in a world of pain if this de freeze happens?

One would assume that the FIA would allow Cosworth to make necessary changes to keep within a reasonable power-level of the other engines. They'd be mad not to, really.