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[myownalias]

I belive Fota is needed simply because Mosley and Ecclestone can come out with some really stupid ideas.

You say FOTA has been disruptive, yet without them we'd have that crap medal system in place, would you really prefer that over points?

Mosleys "world engine" is again another stupid idea that FOTA seams to have stopped.

And the Idea of a two teir system, do you really think that will be a good idea?

again without fota that would be in place and F1 would be terrible next year.

Firstly the two tier system came about because the FIA could not enforce a mandatory cap because of European laws prohibiting it. If it wasn't for European laws the FIA would have simply made everyone comply with the €45m cap or leave the sport; so you can blame European law for the two tier system.

The medal system was Bernie Ecclestone's ideas and he simply enforced that on the FIA; Ecclestone is more of a menace to F1 than FOTA or the FIA!
Yes, the common engine is a stupid idea; but isn't that what FOTA are proposing now with "common parts" and technical assistance to help incoming and smaler teams? FOTA may have saved us from medals and common engines but that was a unanimous decision on the part of all teams; this time around I get the impression that the smaller teams were bullied into agreeing to sign the letter of unification. Look what happened to Williams; they got "suspended" for breaking ranks; so FOTA were hardly united against the FIA were they? If FOTA didn't sign up today I would be willing to bet that Force India and Brawn would have broken ranks as well; would they have also been excluded?

[EwanM]

Good that the teams have entered.

[racechick]

Good that the teams have entered.

Yes but its only postponing things. The ugly head of Max/rules/power will rear itself again next year, unless he's finally gne!

[myownalias]

Good that the teams have entered.

Yes but its only postponing things. The ugly head of Max/rules/power will rear itself again next year, unless he's finally gne!

I wonder why everyone is so anti Max Mosley; he is only doing what he considers best for the long term survival of the sport, whereas everyone else concerned is taking a short term view. If anyone should be gone it's Bernie Ecclestone; he's done more to damage the sport than anyone with his ludicrous ideas, unfair payment systems and bias towards certain drivers and teams. The governing body governs the sport; Bernie should look after the commercial interests and the teams should just race. F1 is too much about politics instead of what is important; ever since spygate F1 has spent more time in court than actually racing, is this good for the sport? And it seems that contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on as all the current teams have a legally binding contract that keeps them in the sport until 2012, yet FOTA has completely disregarded those contracts. So what happened come the eve of 2011 when the €45 budget cap comes into force, will the FOTA honour that or simply play the "we can't downsize that quickly" card and suddenly we are back to square one. Let's just have a bunch to lawyers driving F1 cars; then at least they can get in on the action in the courtroom as well!

[bud]

Hitler was only doing what he thought was best for the long term future of Germany as well so whats your point?

[Gaz]

I belive Fota is needed simply because Mosley and Ecclestone can come out with some really stupid ideas.

You say FOTA has been disruptive, yet without them we'd have that crap medal system in place, would you really prefer that over points?

Mosleys "world engine" is again another stupid idea that FOTA seams to have stopped.

And the Idea of a two teir system, do you really think that will be a good idea?

again without fota that would be in place and F1 would be terrible next year.

Firstly the two tier system came about because the FIA could not enforce a mandatory cap because of European laws prohibiting it. If it wasn't for European laws the FIA would have simply made everyone comply with the €45m cap or leave the sport; so you can blame European law for the two tier system.

The medal system was Bernie Ecclestone's ideas and he simply enforced that on the FIA; Ecclestone is more of a menace to F1 than FOTA or the FIA!
Yes, the common engine is a stupid idea; but isn't that what FOTA are proposing now with "common parts" and technical assistance to help incoming and smaler teams? FOTA may have saved us from medals and common engines but that was a unanimous decision on the part of all teams; this time around I get the impression that the smaller teams were bullied into agreeing to sign the letter of unification. Look what happened to Williams; they got "suspended" for breaking ranks; so FOTA were hardly united against the FIA were they? If FOTA didn't sign up today I would be willing to bet that Force India and Brawn would have broken ranks as well; would they have also been excluded?

Of course they were united the came to a compromise that allowed a more reasonable budget for the bigger teams.

You can't expect a team like Mclaren spending £250mil a year to drop to 40mil.

Even 100mil is a big drop, and then max tried with his stupid ways to FORCE the teams to comply with the two tier system which was stupid.

Without Fota, we'd have the medal system, World engines two tier F1.

[darwin dali]

Good that the teams have entered.

Yes but its only postponing things. The ugly head of Max/rules/power will rear itself again next year, unless he's finally gne!

I wonder why everyone is so anti Max Mosley; he is only doing what he considers best for the long term survival of the sport, whereas everyone else concerned is taking a short term view. If anyone should be gone it's Bernie Ecclestone; he's done more to damage the sport than anyone with his ludicrous ideas, unfair payment systems and bias towards certain drivers and teams. The governing body governs the sport; Bernie should look after the commercial interests and the teams should just race. F1 is too much about politics instead of what is important; ever since spygate F1 has spent more time in court than actually racing, is this good for the sport? And it seems that contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on as all the current teams have a legally binding contract that keeps them in the sport until 2012, yet FOTA has completely disregarded those contracts. So what happened come the eve of 2011 when the €45 budget cap comes into force, will the FOTA honour that or simply play the "we can't downsize that quickly" card and suddenly we are back to square one. Let's just have a bunch to lawyers driving F1 cars; then at least they can get in on the action in the courtroom as well!

Seems like the Kansas climate is clouding your outlook already.
What MM tried to force-feed the teams was not what they signed up for, so your argument about contracts not being worth the paper they're written on goes both ways.

[myownalias]

Hitler was only doing what he thought was best for the long term future of Germany as well so whats your point?

Not quite the same thing is it; Max hasn't tried to commit mass genocide yet. My point is; when F1 was at it's height; FOTA didn't exist; the FIA governed and the teams brought two cars, two drivers and a pit crew and went racing. Now we seem to spend more time in the courtroom than actually racing, it's boring. I want to hear about drivers winning races not what the judge said, two many chefs (chiefs) spoil the broth, everyone with different agendas is ruining the sport. You imagine what it would be like if suddenly the rank and file in the military disregarded the commanding officers orders; it would be anarchy; which is what F1 is slowly descending into in my opinion!

Seems like the Kansas climate is clouding your outlook already.
What MM tried to force-feed the teams was not what they signed up for, so your argument about contracts not being worth the paper they're written on goes both ways.

The Kansan weather really has no baring on my opinion; this has been a long held opinion of mine. As we don't actually know what the contract says; but I am sure that Max wouldn't have agreed to a less than watertight contract. Ferrari had already seemingly breached the contract by creating FOTA; hence why the Parisian court threw out their injunction against the rules. My big issue is that F1 is no longer about sport; it's about big money and courtroom battles. I believe that the sport as a whole needs a complete overhaul. I'm no Max Mosley fan; nor am I a Bernie Ecclestone fan but things have to change and leave it upto FOTA nothing would ever change apart from the dwindling grid!

I want the sport to be a sport; ditch the politics, sit back with a beer and enjoy the racing, revert back to the rules in the 90s; that's when F1 was at it's best in my opinion!

[racechick]

You cant ditch the politics as long as max remains head of the FIA.

[Gaz]

So you belive that FOTA will cause teams ot leave F1.

consider this, if FOTA didn't exist then how many manufactors would of stuck around when they are forced to use a "world engine".

That would be BMW, Ferrari, Renault, Toyota and Merc's prescience gone.

So i'd say thats a poor argument.

[myownalias]

You cant ditch the politics as long as max remains head of the FIA.

So Max leaves at the end of this year as his contract expires; someone else will come in and who's to say that they won't be any worse? Don't forget that Max can't unilaterally make decisions on his own; he needs the backing of the FIA council so he clearly isn't the only one to like the budget cap idea. In the here and now; everyone hates Mosley but if things worked out for the best and racing was closer and more exciting to watch for the spectator; everyone will be calling him a visionary and the saviour of F1. People are very fickle changing their opinion every five minutes. Probably if I was to find F1 right now; I wouldn't watch but I found F1 in the early 90s when Mansell won the WDC and racing was exciting and unpredictable! It's a combination of conflicting powers, FOM, FIA and FOTA that will ruin F1!

So you belive that FOTA will cause teams ot leave F1.

consider this, if FOTA didn't exist then how many manufactors would of stuck around when they are forced to use a "world engine".

That would be BMW, Ferrari, Renault, Toyota and Merc's prescience gone.

So i'd say thats a poor argument.

I am pro-anything that makes F1 exciting and more enjoyable to watch, money and technical innovation doesn't make exciting racing. That makes for one or two teams dominating and when someone like Brawn comes along with some real technical innovation; the big teams shout and scream that part is illegal. In recent years manufacturers have ruined the spectacle that was F1; I want back to the days before manufacturers ran teams; they just either supplied customer engines or offered factory support to an independent team. Manufacturers have diluted the sport in my opinion. It's not longer about racers going racing, it's about corporates identities and money. Yes I believe that FOTA will eventually cause the downfall of F1 as smaller teams will eventually fall by the wayside, we are not living in boom times where even minnows could get decent sponsorship money, we are in a global recession and F1 has to reflect that; Honda's departure was a real wake up call for F1 and the FIA reacted to that!

[Denthúl]

I am pro-anything that makes F1 exciting and more enjoyable to watch, money and technical innovation doesn't make exciting racing.

For me, Formula One is about the technical challenge just as much as, if not more than, the racing aspect. I would rather see innovation than standardised parts, even if standardised parts would increase overtaking ten-fold.

[myownalias]

Standardised parts are coming one way or another it seems; even the FOTA proposals talk about standardised parts to allow newcomers to compete. I do enjoy F1 racing, if less than I used to; but primarily I enjoy the racing and having five drivers fighting it out for the WDC is more appealing to me that two drivers fighting it out or worse having the championship sown up well before the end of the season!

[madbrad]

Why do they limit it to 26? Can't we handle say 30 in a race, or if we can't, just eliminate some in Q1 or some pre Q method like in the past?

[EwanM]

How do I reach these kids?