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[FerrariFan63]

You'll admit that they've been bought off before though?

They got a good deal last time.

IE, caught putting their own needs ahead of those of the sport?

The teams who were threatening GPMC were also putting their own needs ahead of the sport. The difference between Ferrari and McLaren in those days is not that one team or the other played politics, both did. But Ferrari won and McLaren lost its self-interested gamble.

[Gert]

Yup, that'll be it all right.

[Denthúl]

You'll admit that they've been bought off before though?

They got a good deal last time.

IE, caught putting their own needs ahead of those of the sport?

The teams who were threatening GPMC were also putting their own needs ahead of the sport. The difference between Ferrari and McLaren in those days is not that one team or the other played politics, both did. But Ferrari won and McLaren lost its self-interested gamble.

I think you'd have to be mad to believe that any team wouldn't try things like that.

[bud]

The teams who were threatening GPMC were also putting their own needs ahead of the sport. The difference between Ferrari and McLaren in those days is not that one team or the other played politics, both did. But Ferrari won and McLaren lost its self-interested gamble.

why bring up McLaren? every other team except Ferrari were involved. Ferrari were the ones who decided to make a deal with the devil instead of making a stand with the other teams, which they are doing now under FOTA!

[FerrariFan63]

why bring up McLaren? every other team except Ferrari were involved. Ferrari were the ones who decided to make a deal with the devil instead of making a stand with the other teams, which they are doing now under FOTA!

Because McLaren was the biggest team who kept their eggs in the GPWC basket the longest. When comparing how politicking worked out for some other teams versus Ferrari, McLaren is the best example.

This time, Ferrari seems to be the team playing hardest ball with the FIA. It is still to be seen how this will turn out. Unless Ferrari truly don't want any part of a capped budget F1, they're taking a big risk.

[bud]

I dont blame Ferrari for taking the deal they were given, i think any team would have in that situation! but i do blame the FIA for even offering such deals!

[billindenver]

I dont blame Ferrari for taking the deal they were given, i think any team would have in that situation! but i do blame the FIA for even offering such deals!

[McLaren Fan]

From Planet F1:

Max: I am willing to compromise but only if...
Thursday 28th May 2009

Max Mosley insists he is willing to compromise on his planned budget cap but only if it allows small, new teams to compete with the big name outfits.

FOTA met on Wednesday to once again discuss their stand against the 2010 regulations in the build-up to Friday's deadline for entries into next year's Championship. And, according to reports in the British press, it appears as if a compromise could be on the cards with a €100m budget cap and one set of rules for all teams.

Added to that there's more good news as Mosley, who previously stated that he would not back down on his cap, has revealed that he is willing to compromise.

"I am willing to compromise, but only if small and new teams can operate with much lower budgets and are not much slower than the others," Mosley the Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper.

"I am very optimistic about a solution. The big and small teams have very different interests and we have to protect everyone."

In another change of heart the FIA President, who a few weeks ago said that F1 doesn't need Ferrari, has now admitted that he hopes they sign up by Friday's deadline because the sport does need the Scuderia.

"Will Ferrari enter by Friday? I think so. I am optimistic and confident. Ferrari is very important for Formula One, but Formula One is very important for Ferrari as well."


Compromise of 100m Euros on the cards
Thursday 28th May 2009

A compromise of a €100m budget cap for next year's Championship and a decrease the following season is on the cards as time runs out for FOTA and the FIA to agree to next year's regulations.

With the closing date for next year's Championship of Friday May 29th looming fast, FOTA once again met in London on Wednesday to discuss a possible way forward.

The Formula One Teams' Association is strongly opposed to Max Mosley's planned budget cap and its two-tier regulations. However, the FIA President has made it clear that he is determined to press ahead with his proposals.

As such, it has been left to FOTA to find a compromise with reports this morning suggesting that they are closer to doing just that.

"In truth FOTA has now probably served its purpose as, before today, the teams and the FIA were edging closer to a compromise deal which would meet with the FIA's approval as a credible way of reducing costs and enhancing the sport's sustainability," 'a senior insider' told The Guardian.

"The suggestion is that the teams agree to a budget cap of €100m for 2010, reducing to €45m in 2011, with one set of technical rules for all competitors."

No official word, though, has come from either party as the clock runs down towards Friday's deadline.


From autosport.com:

FOTA agrees on plan to help new teams

By Edd Straw Thursday, May 28th 2009, 14:13 GMT

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has agreed to propose a system of technical partnerships for new teams to assist them in joining the grid in 2010, following a meeting between the team principals in London yesterday, AUTOSPORT has learned.

As the teams close in on an agreement with the FIA over the future regulations of F1 ahead of tomorrow's 2010 entry deadline, FOTA hopes this compromise would allow prospective new teams assistance from the established operations to compete credibly in their first seasons without having to fund a significant increase beyond the set budget cap.

FOTA is pushing for a "glidepath" approach to adopting the budget cap regulations, with a two-step reduction in expenditure in 2010 and 2011.

This would see expenditure limited to €100 million in 2010, dropping to €45 for the following season.

The technical partnerships would give the new teams assistance in terms of parts, particularly non-performance differentiators, as well as some design know-how.

The FOTA proposal is believed to stop short of allowing full-blown customer cars, something that is strongly opposed by several teams, and would be structured to ensure that the newcomers compete under the budget cap in their own right in 2011.

FOTA also discussed further ways to develop the budget cap concept, with the possibility of some commonality of non-performance differentiators still on the table in a bid to repackage the imposed limit as a programme of cost containment.

Although final agreement has not been reached, it is believed that both the FIA and FOTA are confident that a resolution can be found ahead of the entry deadline.

[myownalias]

Maybe this will be the end of all the politics and we can get back to concentrating on racing; 100m Euros seems like a fair compromise given that the lower ranked teams were spending that much last year. Technical assistance from the top teams is unlikely to amount to anything as they won't be giving out any secrets; just reiterating tried and tested design ideas that any designer worth their salt should know, you can probably Google "how to build a winning F1 car".

[irons_4_ever]

The deadline for teams to submit their entries for the 2010 Formula 1 championship expires on Friday as debate over the rules continues.
The ongoing debate over F1's regulations has made the issue of submitting an entry for 2010 more complex than usual.

Although the deadline expires on 29 May, six months earlier than normal, the FIA will consider late entries, although delayed submissions could trigger a penalty.

Teams wishing to fill one of the 13 available places must inform governing body the FIA by 29 May.

On Monday, Williams broke ranks with Formula 1 teams' association (Fota) by announcing that they intend to enter.

The remaining nine members of Fota are expected to make a united decision on whether to follow suit on Friday.

The heads of each team met in London on Wednesday to plot their next move as negotiations with the FIA over the future of the sport continue.

While Williams were temporarily suspended from Fota after deciding to sign up for 2010, a spokesman said that meeting was generally "positive and constructive".

The teams have told the FIA they will commit until 2012 if president Max Mosley scraps his controversial rules, which include a 45m euro (£39.6m) budget cap, for 2010.

There is, however, little leeway for late entries as the FIA will publish its list of accepted teams and drivers for the 2010 championship on 12 June.

A number of new teams are expected to submit entries for consideration by the FIA on Friday.

Team US F1 and Spain's Campos Racing have already applied to compete next season while other names, including former F1 constructor Lola, are expected to throw their hats into the ring before the deadline runs out.

Norfolk-based Litespeed GP confirmed they will also submit an entry.

The FIA's cost-cutting directive is partly designed to encourage new teams to enter F1 and Litespeed GP's commercial director Dominic England agreed a budget cap would help.

"As long as we can see the budget cap coming down, we are moving towards a level playing field," England told BBC Sport.

"We are hoping the cap will come down to a sensible level, if it goes above £40m it makes things more difficult."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 072295.stm

[irons_4_ever]

so is anyone going to break ranks, i can see brawn and mclaren possibly doing it

[myownalias]

I can see Force India, Brawn and possibly McLaren breaking ranks; but that will be null and void as I foresee the following proposal being accepted by the FIA and all teams with sign up by the close of business tomorrow! Of course this is IF what Autosport reports is true.

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has agreed to propose a system of technical partnerships for new teams to assist them in joining the grid in 2010, following a meeting between the team principals in London yesterday, AUTOSPORT has learned.

As the teams close in on an agreement with the FIA over the future regulations of F1 ahead of tomorrow's 2010 entry deadline, FOTA hopes this compromise would allow prospective new teams assistance from the established operations to compete credibly in their first seasons without having to fund a significant increase beyond the set budget cap.

FOTA is pushing for a "glidepath" approach to adopting the budget cap regulations, with a two-step reduction in expenditure in 2010 and 2011.

This would see expenditure limited to €100 million in 2010, dropping to €45 for the following season.

The technical partnerships would give the new teams assistance in terms of parts, particularly non-performance differentiators, as well as some design know-how.

The FOTA proposal is believed to stop short of allowing full-blown customer cars, something that is strongly opposed by several teams, and would be structured to ensure that the newcomers compete under the budget cap in their own right in 2011.

FOTA also discussed further ways to develop the budget cap concept, with the possibility of some commonality of non-performance differentiators still on the table in a bid to repackage the imposed limit as a programme of cost containment.

Although final agreement has not been reached, it is believed that both the FIA and FOTA are confident that a resolution can be found ahead of the entry deadline.

[Gilles 27]

Brawn and Force India for sure will sign up, they have everything to gain from any rules that disadvantage the big spenders

[darwin dali]

Maybe this will be the end of all the politics and we can get back to concentrating on racing; 100m Euros seems like a fair compromise given that the lower ranked teams were spending that much last year. Technical assistance from the top teams is unlikely to amount to anything as they won't be giving out any secrets; just reiterating tried and tested design ideas that any designer worth their salt should know, you can probably Google "how to build a winning F1 car".

[7UpJordan]

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