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#88809
By default the greatest formula one team ever would be the one with the largest number of championships, race wins, etc. There would need to be strong reasons not to go for this default. I can't see such reasons.


Bull, theres no hope for you
#88813
By default the greatest formula one team ever would be the one with the largest number of championships, race wins, etc. There would need to be strong reasons not to go for this default. I can't see such reasons.

Well you're as blind as a bat then. I should seek medical help if I were you.


The only reason why you think Lotus is the greatest team ever is because you keep reading British Press which is incredibly biased. They only publish the good things the brits do and publish all the bad things the other teams do.

F1 does not give points or rewards for having the best attitude or the best intentions, it rewards you for getting the job done and winning races. Therefore the only measure of success is race wins and points.

Quite easily then, I would say Ferrari has and will always be the greatest team ever. The only other way to look at this would be to analyse success vs number of events competed, then I would have to say Williams.

Lotus? Maybe, they introduced a few good innovations but so have all the other teams. McLaren? Definitely not, too many scandals and deception, their success has been scarred for life, they will forever be remembered as McCheaters...
#88818
I reckon the greatest Formula 1 team ever should be decided in terms of units currency of your choice spent per point or win.

For example Torro Rosso made alot of very well funded teams look silly last year.
#88820
The only reason why you think Lotus is the greatest team ever is because you keep reading British Press which is incredibly biased. They only publish the good things the brits do and publish all the bad things the other teams do.

F1 does not give points or rewards for having the best attitude or the best intentions, it rewards you for getting the job done and winning races. Therefore the only measure of success is race wins and points.

Quite easily then, I would say Ferrari has and will always be the greatest team ever. The only other way to look at this would be to analyse success vs number of events competed, then I would have to say Williams.

Lotus? Maybe, they introduced a few good innovations but so have all the other teams. McLaren? Definitely not, too many scandals and deception, their success has been scarred for life, they will forever be remembered as McCheaters...

Patronising and risible, but I would expect little else from you.

This thread really just goes to show how pathetic many people are on this forum. All it was meant to be was a bit of fun about an interesting topic that really doesn't get spoken about enough, but the usual troublemakers had to come and spoil things with petty comments. :thumbdown:
#88821
Lotus were fantastic they really brought massive idea's to F1 for example the monocoque chasis, Ground effect, which was all headed by the brilliant Colin Champan.

But i have to say Mclaren since they had the same humble begining as lotus yet went on to be the company they are now. Without the extra assistant that Ferrari has. And some of the dominance Mclaren has had like the MP4/4 that no other team has come close too.

All the foke who say ferrari is the greatest because they have the most championships are i'm sorry wrong, Ferrari have been in F1 the longest and i have no doubts that if Mclaren had started at the same time, they would of been as sucsefull, if not more so.
#88823
By default the greatest formula one team ever would be the one with the largest number of championships, race wins, etc. There would need to be strong reasons not to go for this default. I can't see such reasons.

Well you're as blind as a bat then. I should seek medical help if I were you.


The only reason why you think Lotus is the greatest team ever is because you keep reading British Press which is incredibly biased. They only publish the good things the brits do and publish all the bad things the other teams do.

F1 does not give points or rewards for having the best attitude or the best intentions, it rewards you for getting the job done and winning races. Therefore the only measure of success is race wins and points.

Quite easily then, I would say Ferrari has and will always be the greatest team ever. The only other way to look at this would be to analyse success vs number of events competed, then I would have to say Williams.

Lotus? Maybe, they introduced a few good innovations but so have all the other teams. McLaren? Definitely not, too many scandals and deception, their success has been scarred for life, they will forever be remembered as McCheaters...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: You say that and look at your avatar pic :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
#88838
I think the simple answer to your question Mclaren Fan is that you cannot make a judgement on which team is the greatest in Formula One. However it is possible to make a synopsis of a number of teams which at certain period during the history of Formula One made significant impressions.

Alot of people can be mislead by figures. From these it is quite easy to say that Ferrari are the most successful Team to ever compete in the sport - and statistically speaking they are. However statistics never tell the full story.
Ferrari and Formula 1 go together like Cheese and Crackers. From the very onset to modern day times, Ferrari have competed in the sport and have chaulked up an impressive tally of Victories. However these figures can only compliment the factor that makes Ferrari so special: its widespread impact on the sport. Ferrari isn't only the most marketable team in the sport, it carries a long line of traditions envisioned by the great man himself, Enzo. Despite tragedy throughout his personal life, Mr Ferrari created a brand, a legacy, that still echos throughout modern day Formula One. Yes, Ferrari are a different team to what they were before, but the essence is still there. The memories of Nuvolari, Ascari, Fangio to Lauda, Villeneuve, Prost, Mansell and to the modern era of Schumacher are symbolic and cannot be forgotten to those who romanticise about the sport.

Leading on from this though, it isn't possible to claim that Ferrari were the greatest team. Indeed, they did outlast all of their rivals throughout Formula One, but without those rivals there would be no foundations to create those symbollic moments. There wouldn't the memory of France 1979 without Arnoux and Renault for example.
Looking back it is possible to concur that Ferrari's impressive tally of victories lends itself to the marque's long history. If they were so dominant then why haven't they won more?
Certainly until the recent days of Schumacher, Ferrari have almost always been slow on the uptake of new innovations in Formula One.
The British rear- ended cars of the 1960s destroyed Ferrari well into the 1970s. And again, Ferrari were so slow in the uptake of grounds effects that they only won the 1979 world title due to the handling of their cars.
When the Turbo Era came into play, Ferrari ditched their handling just to have the most powerful engine on the grid. How Villeneuve won anything in 1981 is beyond me! Ferrari eventually would overcome these problems and win world titles, but they were very slow!
And what was happening when Ferrari struggled? Legendary teams like Lotus, Mclaren and Williams began to emerge and win world titles.
Maybe these teams don't have the history of Ferrari - and they never have, but they certainly match the Prancing Horse on techinical innovation and glory.
Therefore no team can be given "Greatest" status. Without each other, there would be no Formula One - No winners, losers etc, and there would be no glorious history.
#88840
And again, Ferrari were so slow in the uptake of grounds effects that they only won the 1979 world title due to the handling of their cars.

Also thanks to Williams' late arrival of the FW07 and Ligier then slowly dropping off the pace after dominating some of the early races. Williams became the clear form team by the end of the year.
#88842
And again, Ferrari were so slow in the uptake of grounds effects that they only won the 1979 world title due to the handling of their cars.

Also thanks to Williams' late arrival of the FW07 and Ligier then slowly dropping off the pace after dominating some of the early races. Williams became the clear form team by the end of the year.


Indeed and as you well know, Jody Scheckter drove the wheels off that car, and won the title with consistancy. He was more reliable than the others, hence why he took the title.
#88850
McLaren? Definitely not, too many scandals and deception, their success has been scarred for life, they will forever be remembered as McCheaters...


Thats a perfect explanation of Ferrari too. :rolleyes:
#88859
McLaren? Definitely not, too many scandals and deception, their success has been scarred for life, they will forever be remembered as McCheaters...


Thats a perfect explanation of Ferrari . :rolleyes:


:yes::yes::hehe::hehe:
#88860
Ferrari are the greatest team in F1 and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. This is a topic not even worth discussing as it is dumb as the answer is obvious. It is like discussing if pigs actually can fly. The answer is obvious thus the discussion pointless and stupid. Also the greatest team doesn't refer to the best team necessairly. The greast is who has had the most successes and in racing that is the most race wins, championships etc which is clearly Ferrari. If you want to speak of the actual best team then McLaren Fan may have some valid points with Lotus for example and all their innovative ideas intriduced to F1 etc but Ferrari are still better than McLaren and Lotus are no longer in F1 so I guess everything still points to Ferrari as being the best overall. :yes::thumbup::D
#88878
Honestly, did anybody expect anything else from some Ferrari fans?

Let's just ignore this sort of thing & concentrate on the posts that actually offer something to the thread.

As I see it there are 2 approaches suggested so far:-

A. Technical innovation

B. Cash per point

Taking point B 1st, it should be possible to look at all the teams that have ever raced in F1, allow for inflation since 1950 & see which team wins that way. That is, however, a very long process & to whoever is inclined to do it you have my respect.

Point A is where the interest is 'cos we should be able to spend some considerble time discussing whether introducing monoque (spelling?) chassis & ground effects brought more to F1 than carbon fibre chassis & looney metals in the engines did & that's where I think we should spend our time.

Perhaps if some Ferrari fan(s) would like to tell us which innovations their team is responsible for we could then try to analyse their worth to F1.
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