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By scotty
#87776
The front wing mounts are quite odd...
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By cap-dude
#87778
Toyota, what an ugly looking beast. Ferrari did a good job, but this. :vomit:

Aside from the looks, Toyota are certainly ambiotious, aren't they. When BMW were aiming for their first win, they had real performance to back it up, however, Toyota on the other hand are really going to have to up their game for any chance at a first win. I mean, they'll have to have a car able of finishing the year in 3rd place at least. Or a lot of luck. I mean, Renault and BMW have deffinetly got a lot more going for them than Toyota.

Its a bold statement, meaning toyota must be pretty damn confident in the car they've built. But until March, we won't have a clue whos got the racing winning cars.
By thestake
#87780
I saw some great chat from Trulli about the future of Toyota here...

Seriously, though, it's good for the sport that they're here and ready to go in 2009 - whether they're ready to win a race or not, well, probably not...!
#87782
Although I'm still getting used to the wings, overall I feel the 2009 cars won't look quite as bad as we feared. What I don't like is Toyota. Hopefully they are crap again next season.
#87784
Here is autosport.com's technical analysis:

Technical analysis of the Toyota TF109

By Craig Scarborough Thursday, January 15th 2009, 14:32 GMT

Toyota adopted a modern and unique method to launch their new car today: the Internet-only unveiling allowed the whole world to see the car at the same time, but as yet no one has seen it for real or up close.

As we have only seen the team's images of the TF109, we have also only seen it from the angles they want us to see. From the limited view of the TF109 we can already draw some comments on the details.

Toyota have taken a shapely approach to their new car: although clearly in its first iteration of bodywork to meet the new rules, the car sports some interesting touches to maximise downforce and reduce drag. The car's chassis design was headed again by Pascal Vasselon, while this is the end of the first full new machine for head of aerodynamics Mark Gillan.

Both engineers have aimed for stability as the key characteristic of the TF109, both mechanically and aerodynamically.

Unlike the interim cars tested before Christmas, Toyota have gone for a slim nose but, unlike Ferrari, they have kept the nose shorter and raised the tip up as far as possible. This shape does provide more space under the nose cone for turning vanes, which is an area outside of the exclusion zones for bodywork. Thus Toyota have fitted a pair of vanes to the rear of the nose cone that lead back under the chassis.

The front wing is split abruptly between the FIA-mandated middle section and the downforce-producing outer spans, which feature single element moving flaps.

Most noticeable are the shapely endplates without curved leading edges to tease airflow around the front wheels; these are most noticeable when viewed from above.

Curiously, the front wheel fairings have their openings pointing forwards rather than backwards as with their 2008 car, while the rear wheels are fitted with Toyota's novel vaned fairings.

Leading back. the team have fitted another pair of small bargeboards in front of the sidepod and a simple tall pod wing to its shoulder.

As one of the last teams to adopt undercut sidepods, the new sidepod fronts are exceptionally undercut. They then sweep into a tight coke bottle shape before exiting in a bulbous shape over the gearbox. The only cooling outlets allowed in the engine cover also need to route the exhaust pipes; Toyota have chosen to sink the pipes beneath the engine cover rather than expose them as per the Ferrari.

Also on the engine cover is a small tail spine that smoothes the flow to the new, narrower, rear wing to make more use of the lower beam wing. Toyota have lowered the rear crash structure to reach underneath it, leaving the full span of the beam wing exposed to the airflow.

Although the team have yet to release pictures of the rear of the car, it appears they have made some use of the allowable space behind the main diffuser to create a narrow extension to the middle of the diffuser.

No mechanical details of the car have been released, although it was announced the car is having a battery storage KERS system developed for it, although this will not be ready for the season's start.

One significant development has been the departure of Luca Marmorini, the technical director for engine development. Marmorini has been with the team since their F1 Debut and has been responsible for the team having some of the best and most reliable engines on the grid.

But Marmorini has also been vocal about the lack of engine development opportunities, as the formula heads into its third year with a development freeze. No reason for his departure has been given.

This year the engines are reduced in revs (18,000rpm from 19,000) and each driver will need to use no more than eight engines throughout the season.

The TF109 will take to the track publicly for the first time next week at the Portimao test.
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By Denthúl
#87789
Although I'm still getting used to the wings, overall I feel the 2009 cars won't look quite as bad as we feared. What I don't like is Toyota. Hopefully they are crap again next season.


:rolleyes:


I think it's lovely, to be honest. Anything that doesn't look like somebody has covered it in glue and rolled it around in a box of carbon-fibre off-cuts is already a major improvement. Whilst I expect Toyota to have a tougher time due to starting without KERS, I hope that they win a race or two in 2009. After a strong performance in 2008, they deserve to move closer to the front of the field.
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By welshie
#87791
Although I'm still getting used to the wings, overall I feel the 2009 cars won't look quite as bad as we feared. What I don't like is Toyota. Hopefully they are crap again next season.


:rolleyes:


I think it's lovely, to be honest. Anything that doesn't look like somebody has covered it in glue and rolled it around in a box of carbon-fibre off-cuts is already a major improvement. Whilst I expect Toyota to have a tougher time due to starting without KERS, I hope that they win a race or two in 2009. After a strong performance in 2008, they deserve to move closer to the front of the field.


:clap:
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By 7UpJordan
#87799
Ugly and still has the same boring livery. Almost makes you feel like you've been out on the town binge drinking. I hope it handles as crap as it looks and gives Trulli something else to whinge at whilst Glock works wonders with it.

But it's still not quite as ugly as the BMW was. :yes:
#87803
I'm entitled to dislike Toyota if I want. The team has been an embarrassment. If there weren't so few teams on the grid at the moment, Formula One would be better off without them.
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By madbrad
#87806
Does anybody else predict a lot of broken front wings at the first turn of each race?
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By madbrad
#87807
I'm entitled to dislike Toyota if I want. The team has been an embarrassment. If there weren't so few teams on the grid at the moment, Formula One would be better off without them.

I blame it all on Ralf. You have to admit they really imroved during 08, let's see if they can keep the momentum. Money has allowed them to stick it out for all these years unlike all those short lived backmarker teams we have seen, and maybe their moment will eventually come. Maybe they're just relying on the law of eventuality LOL.
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By 7UpJordan
#87813
I'm entitled to dislike Toyota if I want. The team has been an embarrassment. If there weren't so few teams on the grid at the moment, Formula One would be better off without them.

I blame it all on Ralf. You have to admit they really imroved during 08, let's see if they can keep the momentum. Money has allowed them to stick it out for all these years unlike all those short lived backmarker teams we have seen, and maybe their moment will eventually come. Maybe they're just relying on the law of eventuality LOL.

Yeah, Ralf has always put me off them a lot too along with Trulli and their dull livery. Glock is one of the most positive aspects of the team though and a solid driver.
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By Denthúl
#87817
Although I'm still getting used to the wings, overall I feel the 2009 cars won't look quite as bad as we feared. What I don't like is Toyota. Hopefully they are crap again next season.


Disliking is one thing, wishing an unsuccessful time on them is another.

When the Ferrari fans wish that McLaren have a s*** season, you're all defensive. This is no different.

Yeah, Ralf has always put me off them a lot too along with Trulli and their dull livery. Glock is one of the most positive aspects of the team though and a solid driver.


Can't argue with patriotism.
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By Gert
#87818
's no more & no less ugly that the Fezza & I'm sure the new Macca will also appall me.

These cars look like Viz cartoons but without being funny & yes, I do know that Viz isn't as funny as it used to be.

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