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#72233
I thought they would have assumed Hamilton hitting Alonso in Bahrain cost him a load of points too, thus making him the 'moral champion' in their eyes. :rolleyes:
#72239
I was not a Ferarri or McLaren supporter before I came to this forum. I was starting to enjoy motorsport as a whole. Now, because of the bias crap I have been reading here, I hope Hamilton does win the next 5 World Championships and the constructors championship as well. Yes, Rossi has won 5 World Championships, obviously Hamilton just got the drive because he was a nice bloke or went out with one of the daughters of someone at McLaren. He has not won anything up to the start of last year. Just as a side issue, I have owned 2 Ferarri's, both were absolute heaps of junk as road cars 355-360, I now have a Mercedes that I can drive every day without the fear of broken timing belts or injection systems that need constant tuning, the Mercedes is the best thing I have ever driven. And Mr AKR, you are a w***er who has his head up his bias arse. Give people credit where it is due.




Heh, Ferraris aren't really a car for everyday use, though.


My only memory of a Mercedes is watching half of whatever is underneath one fall out as it drove in front of me on the M6, and it slowly drifting toward the hard shoulder with it scraping on the floor.

Of course, that doesn't mean all Mercedes are bad cars, either.
#72248
Oh, get a grip... everybody!

Hamilton is a kid trying to drive like a legend and he's paying the price. In another season or two he will be unbeatable if:

1. His daddy gets his head out of his son's arse.
2. McLaren stops treating him like he can walk on water.
3. He realizes that Alonso, Shumi, Mika, Senna, Stewart, Fangio, etc. all paid their dues and learned to be champions.

Just because you're British and drive a Silver Arrow doesn't give you birth-right to F1 supremacy. Massa served his time backing up and learning from one of the best in history. Hamilton had the same opportunity last season but chose to let the general attitude of Ron Dennis and his dad effect his driving. Too bad.

And I'm sorry but the world champion does not crash himself and his nearest rival out in pit lane.

Plus it just goes to show the true McLaren attitude that there is all this bitching and moaning and crying of foul play even while their driver still sits atop the points. Grow up.

I'm pulling for Kubica, just so everyone would shut up.
#72249
Planet F1 missed out the five-place grid penalty in Malaysia, but I don't think it was too controversial.

The way I see it:

Malaysia: Hamilton and Kovalainen put back 5 grid slots for impeding cars at the end of qualifying
O.L.D. says: Fair penalty.

Canada: Hamilton put back ten places at the following race for hitting Raikkonen in the pits
O.L.D. says: Perhaps a bit harsh for a genuine mistake, but not too controversial.

France: Hamilton given drive-through penalty for overtaking Vettel via the grass.
O.L.D. says: Hamilton should have let Vettel through to be sure. Fair penalty.

Valencia: Massa given a fine but no other penalty for unsafe release from his pit
O.L.D. say: This was a serious incident as pitlane crashes can be incredibly dangerous for everyone in the pits. However it was not a sporting infringement so a non-sporting penalty was appropriate. Fair penalty.

Belgium: Hamilton given a 25 second penalty for, erm... I still can't quite figure out what he did wrong!
O.L.D. say: This penalty showed the inadequacy of the rules and the stewards, and a more pragmatic set of officials would have let it go. No-one would have felt hard done by if they had. Wrong, wrong wrong.

Singapore: Massa handed drive-through penalty for unsafe release from the pits.
O.L.D. says: As I said before, this is a safety issue not a sporting issue and in my view the penalty in Valencia was the right one. Wrong penalty but it made no difference.

Japan1: Hamilton given drive-through penalty for "forcing a car off the track" into the first corner.
O.L.D. says: Watch the replay - it's absolutely clear to me that ultimately Raikkonen was forced off the track by Kovalainen, NOT Hamilton. However if you get penalties for driving cars of the track, where was Hamilton's penalty in Germany, or Raikkonen's penalty in Spa? Inconsistent, poor decision, and they collared the wrong guy.

Japan2: Massa handed drive-through penalty for pitching Hamilton into a spin.
O.L.D. says: Fair penalty. I don't buy Massa's nonsense that he couldn't stop.

Japan3: Bourdais penalised for supposedly pitching Massa into a spin.
O.L.D. says: Madder than Mad Jack McMad, winner of last year's Mr Madman competion. If anyone caused that crash it was Massa and HE should have been penalised.

So the OneLapDown World Championship looks like this:
Hammy 89 (+5: 4 points more in Belgium, and he would have squeaked a point in Japan if Massa had been penalised)
Massa 75 (-4: 2 points less in Belgium, and a 2nd drive through in Japan)
Hamilton needs a second place to win the title.
#72250
"GOVNO" not very lady like. My name is Ray and I am from Australia/Thailand. It is a shame that a championship is being decided off the race track. This sort of thing would never happen in "Real Racing" like Moto GP, where they are allowed to race without officials deciding the outcome. God I hope Ferarri never get involved in Moto GP. Although I think there is some tie up with them and Ducatti, I could be wrong.
Haze, if you get the chance, take an E55 for a drive, it will surprise you, better than one of those other things in every way, and does not attract so much attention either.
#72254
"GOVNO" not very lady like. My name is Ray and I am from Australia/Thailand. It is a shame that a championship is being decided off the race track. This sort of thing would never happen in "Real Racing" like Moto GP, where they are allowed to race without officials deciding the outcome. God I hope Ferarri never get involved in Moto GP. Although I think there is some tie up with them and Ducatti, I could be wrong.
Haze, if you get the chance, take an E55 for a drive, it will surprise you, better than one of those other things in every way, and does not attract so much attention either.


Australia/Thailand endless summer?
#72264
After Spa didn't they also claim that Hamilton received a 25 second penalty because it was in the last 5 laps of the race and therefore too late to be given a drive through. This is one of their written rules, yet the bullpoo call on Bourdais had 15 laps left in the race, yet the stewards waited to see where Massa finished the race before making the judgement. Clearly this penalty should have been ruled a 10 spot penalty for next race since the race was already over, and a drive through was not available. What could they possibly do next in Ferrari's favor to be more obvious ? Shame on FIA for trying their hardest to ruin F1.
#72267
After Spa didn't they also claim that Hamilton received a 25 second penalty because it was in the last 5 laps of the race and therefore too late to be given a drive through. This is one of their written rules, yet the bullpoo call on Bourdais had 15 laps left in the race, yet the stewards waited to see where Massa finished the race before making the judgement. Clearly this penalty should have been ruled a 10 spot penalty for next race since the race was already over, and a drive through was not available. What could they possibly do next in Ferrari's favor to be more obvious ? Shame on FIA for trying their hardest to ruin F1.

Good spot. Does that mean it's appealable now?
#72270
After Spa didn't they also claim that Hamilton received a 25 second penalty because it was in the last 5 laps of the race and therefore too late to be given a drive through. This is one of their written rules, yet the bullpoo call on Bourdais had 15 laps left in the race, yet the stewards waited to see where Massa finished the race before making the judgement. Clearly this penalty should have been ruled a 10 spot penalty for next race since the race was already over, and a drive through was not available. What could they possibly do next in Ferrari's favor to be more obvious ? Shame on FIA for trying their hardest to ruin F1.


yeah i wondered why they needed to look at that one after the race considering there was plenty of laps left!
its almost as you say, they waited to see where Massa finished before making a call
#72272
Biggest load of bull ever. :bs:
Get over it. If the stewarts never interfered we'd have teams sabotaging each other every other week. I mean, honestly, do you all think that hamilton should get away with driving dirty. In my opinion, that first lap was punishable for dangerous and over aggressive driving. Its not even comparable to Kimi Sutil in monaco, because Kimi wasn't trying to lunge down the inside of Sutil, or take unnecessary risks. He, like many other drivers, lost it, and unfortunately this time, it accidentally affected someone else. If Lewis' spin in the first few laps of monaco had caused someone else misfortune, I'm sure you'd all defend him.

In this case, why not re-instate both Massa's wins at Hungary and Singapore, plus a few extra points he'd would of received for finishing at Australia. The fact is, this stuff happens in F1, its happened for years. Deal with it properly, not like a bunch of asses.
Even my Dad, who supports Hamilton, said he shot himself in the foot.
#72274
Biggest load of bull ever. :bs:
Get over it. If the stewarts never interfered we'd have teams sabotaging each other every other week. I mean, honestly, do you all think that hamilton should get away with driving dirty. In my opinion, that first lap was punishable for dangerous and over aggressive driving. Its not even comparable to Kimi Sutil in monaco, because Kimi wasn't trying to lunge down the inside of Sutil, or take unnecessary risks. He, like many other drivers, lost it, and unfortunately this time, it accidentally affected someone else. If Lewis' spin in the first few laps of monaco had caused someone else misfortune, I'm sure you'd all defend him.

In this case, why not re-instate both Massa's wins at Hungary and Singapore, plus a few extra points he'd would of received for finishing at Australia. The fact is, this stuff happens in F1, its happened for years. Deal with it properly, not like a bunch of asses.
Even my Dad, who supports Hamilton, said he shot himself in the foot.


Biggest load of bull ever. :bs: great title for your post :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Massa's never had no win in Hungary or Singapore..... that was ALL Ferrari's doing no way comparable to stealing a win post race by the race stewards
#72279
Biggest load of bull ever. :bs:
Get over it. If the stewarts never interfered we'd have teams sabotaging each other every other week. I mean, honestly, do you all think that hamilton should get away with driving dirty.

Biggest load of Bull is correct, and you are totally right if the stewards never interfered we would have teams sabotaging each other every race. Case in point the stewards don't interfere with Ferrari: therefore Massa gets to deliberately crash into anyone he wants and gets handed points for it at the end of the race. I'm happy someone as closed minded as yourself agrees.
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#72310
its funny you see PlanetF1 in such ways, when id always consider that site pro Ferrari if anything.

I agree. I didn't really have PlanetF1 down as a pro-McLaren sit. I didn't really have it done as a pro-Ferrari site either. Moreover, I think this lack of bias come across in the article. It simply tells us when the stewards have interfered and ruled against Hamilton and McLaren and the points it cost and whether or not the stewards were correct. It doesn't say the FIA are against Hamilton or McLaren etc.. At best, we can infer this from the article.

Plus it just goes to show the true McLaren attitude that there is all this bitching and moaning and crying of foul play even while their driver still sits atop the points. Grow up.

Well, considering McLaren have denied all the rumours of conspiracies against the team, that Ron Dennis wants to meet up with di Montezemolo for dinner ( :eek: ) and that he article was not written by McLaren, you are clearly the one who needs to grow up, for your mind cannot work out these simple facts.
#72315
its funny you see PlanetF1 in such ways, when id always consider that site pro Ferrari if anything.

I agree. I didn't really have PlanetF1 down as a pro-McLaren sit. I didn't really have it done as a pro-Ferrari site either. Moreover, I think this lack of bias come across in the article. It simply tells us when the stewards have interfered and ruled against Hamilton and McLaren and the points it cost and whether or not the stewards were correct. It doesn't say the FIA are against Hamilton or McLaren etc.. At best, we can infer this from the article.


Some of the articles are pro British not really pro Mclaren. The fourms are definitely Pro Ferrari and so are the mods. Any Anti Mclaren post was left any anti-Ferrari post was locked or deleted and the creator given a temp ban.

i used to post there alot but i left because i was sick of the anti-Mclaren threads
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